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cpr performed on motorcyclist just outside of motogp exit

don't know what happened so I can't blame anyone but have seen many stupid accidents after a race where overzealous fans think they will be asked to join a motogp team if a factory rep sees them riding like a bat outta hell while leaving the parking lot...

enjoy the races but be courteous so others can enjoy it too...

this means before, during and after the events..

rip to the rider..

hope everyone made it home safely...
 
Rel said:
The military is NOT responsible for protecting our nation, they are responsible or DEFENDING our nation.

There is a huge difference between protecting and defending.

As for 911, that is a whole other thread....
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defend |diˈfend|
verb [ trans. ]
resist an attack made on (someone or something); protect from harm or danger : we shall defend our country, whatever the cost.

protect
verb
they fought to protect their homes and families: keep safe, keep from harm, save, safeguard, preserve, defend, shield, cushion, insulate, hedge, shelter, screen, secure, fortify, guard, watch over, look after, take care of, keep; inoculate. ANTONYMS expose, neglect, attack, harm.
 
FYI, the quickest way back to San Jose from the Reservation Road exit is to 101 through Salinas via Davis Road. I suspect that's what SCRAMP and county officials had in mind when they directed traffic east, rather than allowing it to get to 1 and the colossal clusterfuck of the 2-lane section around Moss Landing.

RIP, rider. :rose
 
The riding overall was very sane and legal this year. Much better than past moto races.

And I appreciate the CHP allowing the bikes to ride the shoulder, especially on Hwy one. It would take weeks for people to get home if all the bikes clogged traffic, too. They could bust EVERYONE that rides the shoulder, pretty easily, but they don't. I am giving someone at CHP headquarters a big thumbs up for that one.

Now, between the County, SCRAMP, local law enforcement and the CHP responsibilities, maybe things will be even easier and safer, next year.

In case no one knows: SCRAMP and Laguna Seca took the track sweeper on that funky bike road on Sunday morning because it was covered in sand from Saturday night. A thumbs-up for that one, too.
 
Frankly, it was the rider who ran into the back of the other riders who is at fault. There's no getting around that.

Could managing exit traffic be done better? Maybe. Probably. Anything in life can always be done better. But does that absolve the guy who wasn't paying attention and rode into the back of the other riders? No f'n way.

And reservation road isn't all that damn wide, so there may be a little blame to assign to the unfortunate rider coming the other way, IF he was going 60 or better. When I see a bunch of riders/cars/whatever slowed/stopped in a long line coming at me, I slow the f down. It's common sense.

Sad all around.

Final note: When I used to attend the races, I'd ALWAYS wait an hour or two or more before heading home myself. By then the craziness has subsided a lot and the ride/drive is so much easier and relaxing.
 
Exiting was the same last year. Rather than try the u-turn, we just went left and worked our way thru the farm roads back to 1. I didn't want to risk both of us making a slow u-turn instead of a quick left across the fast on-coming traffic.

My :2cents though is that the entire blame is on the rider that ass packed the stopped rider. Regardless of whether the exit strategy could be better/easier, I see no explanation for why the ass-packer couldn't have been more responsible.


:rip Rider
 
ST Guy said:
Frankly, it was the rider who ran into the back of the other riders who is at fault. There's no getting around that.
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wellbredred said:
..... though is that the entire blame is on the rider that ass packed the stopped rider. Regardless of whether the exit strategy could be better/easier, I see no explanation for why the ass-packer couldn't have been more responsible.
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Gad, are we beating this to death. I haven't seen ONE person blame anyone other than the rider. I blame the bikers for stopping in the road and pulling a U turn in that location, too.

I don't know about anyone else. But I just want things BETTER. Not to blame NorCalRider dude because he doesn't read the thread.

No offense to anyone on BARF, but there are a lot of spooky riders that show up at MotoGP. These are not regular riders, or they are not very seasoned. And, of course, a bunch of young testosterone shows up, which is sketchy under any circumstances.

Once again, though - the riding was much better than at past events.
 
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clutchslip said:
Once again, though - the riding was much better than at past events.
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Agreed! I remember one year taking 1-1/2 hours just to get out of the parking lot! Then another hour to get deposited down on 1 and needing an additional half hour just to get to 101!

Everything was pretty smooth this year aside from a 'tard in an RV (with bikes on a rack behind) who was going 3 mph up the first big hill on the way out. But then he had to stop for 15 minutes as they were dealing with the backup caused by the fatal accident on Reservation rd.

If that accident hadn't happened, it would have been pretty much an ideal experience for a race weekend there! :thumbup
 
I can see exactly what happened, as I have exited there in the past. It seems like the ass-packer is solely to blame and should be liable. However, all 3 parties were increasing their riding risks by doing what they were doing. Doing a u-turn at an un-controlled part of the roadway is always risky. Doing 60 mph on a narrow/curvy with stopped on-coming traffic has foreseeable problems, and the ass-packer...who knows what he was doing or thinking, but it didn't work.

I wouldn't say the cops are to blame, but they were controlling the traffic per someone's guideline; and that system was not working properly if large numbers of bikes were doing u-turns on the road. This should be a scenario that is identifiable and correctable. Even if it was police cruiser with a PA telling everyone to move along and not do u-turns.
 
This reminds me of the (only?) useful thing that I remember learning at Traffic School a year ago. When waiting to make a left (or U-ey) don't turn your wheels. Only turn your wheels when you get moving. This way if you get rear-ended while waiting, you go straight - not across the road into oncoming.

I don't know if that would have helped here, but something to keep in mind for us all in the future.
 
I don't know where all this right-turn only u-turn stuff is coming from?

I parked in paved/preferred parking (moto) on "Red 9." I entered through "Watkins Gate."

When I exited the parking lot, I turned left as directed by the little marshall guys, went down to Watkins Gate, waited for CHP to do what they had to do and then they let us turn LEFT onto Reservation Road (the same way we came in). I headed down that to HWY 1 and was done. Simple, no u-turn's, no confusing things... I dunno where ya'll went but it was pretty straight forward for us.
 
I was leaving the races when the accident happened and the CHP could have done more than sending everyone to the right. From what I saw people were making U turns in a blind turn giving folks not enough time to react to the folks making the u turn.

I saw this from 3 - 400 feet form the gate, saw a body sliding down the embankment and a lot of confusion and bikes stopped in the middle of the road trying to sort things out, once I saw that I made a safe u turn and got out of there since I would be no help to the crash.

I hope everyone comes out ok from this and they come up with a better game plan for when the event ends
 
Antarius said:
I don't know where all this right-turn only u-turn stuff is coming from?

I parked in paved/preferred parking (moto) on "Red 9." I entered through "Watkins Gate."

When I exited the parking lot, I turned left as directed by the little marshall guys, went down to Watkins Gate, waited for CHP to do what they had to do and then they let us turn LEFT onto Reservation Road (the same way we came in). I headed down that to HWY 1 and was done. Simple, no u-turn's, no confusing things... I dunno where ya'll went but it was pretty straight forward for us.
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I guess it was your 'special red parking pass', but the rest of us, including the hit riders, had a different experience.
 
EC70 said:
I was leaving the races when the accident happened and the CHP could have done more than sending everyone to the right. From what I saw people were making U turns in a blind turn giving folks not enough time to react to the folks making the u turn.

I saw this from 3 - 400 feet form the gate, saw a body sliding down the embankment and a lot of confusion and bikes stopped in the middle of the road trying to sort things out, once I saw that I made a safe u turn and got out of there since I would be no help to the crash.

I hope everyone comes out ok from this and they come up with a better game plan for when the event ends
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As said here, this was the same exit strategy used at the last gp. Its was just shitty riders screwing things up for everyone.
 
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clutchslip said:
defend |diˈfend|
verb [ trans. ]
resist an attack made on (someone or something); protect from harm or danger : we shall defend our country, whatever the cost.

protect
verb
they fought to protect their homes and families: keep safe, keep from harm, save, safeguard, preserve, defend, shield, cushion, insulate, hedge, shelter, screen, secure, fortify, guard, watch over, look after, take care of, keep; inoculate. ANTONYMS expose, neglect, attack, harm.
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Maybe his point was that defence is active, while protection is passive. IE, my helmet protects my head, it does not defend it, because it is a constant, regardless of whether my head is in danger or not. To defend something is to respond to an attack. That's why it's called 'defence' in football, and not 'protection.' The military's job is to respond to threats, not to be an everpresent force that nullifies threats. 9/11 demonstrated a threat, which they did respond to, however you might feel about that.

But you know, it's just semantics, and doesn't really matter in the light of what happened here. RIP rider:rose
 
Karbon said:
As said here, this was the same exit strategy used at the last gp. Its was just shitty riders screwing things up for everyone.
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True, but the U-turns would be stopped with left turn traffic control or, at least, signs directing riders so they could get back to the coast. It is confusing where you are suppose to go, if you don't know the area. And the shortest way back is to make a U turn.

Between last year and this year, I went home four different ways from that exit. Home is Aptos.

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But you know, it's just semantics, and doesn't really matter in the light of what happened here. RIP rider:rose
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That was my point. It is just semantics.
 
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We left via the Watkins Gate just after the accident. Ironically, it seems that after the accident, CHP made the exit Left Turn Only (since the road to the right was now blocked by the aftermath of the accident). CHP was directing everyone left and had all traffic Eastbound on Reservation road stopped. I don't understand why Traffic Control thought making everyone turn right was a good idea since there was a huge amount of traffic that entered Watkins Gate from Hwy 1. Having an Officer stopping traffic on Reservation Road to allow exitting traffic should have been standard protocol (and became the protocol after the accident).

RIP Rider...
 
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