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crazy man at 16th St BART (NSFW)

jdhu said:
It's funny. I am not a trained fighter by any means, but to me, the "respect" this "artist" is getting for his acrobatic skills is overdone. Yes, he seems nimble and in reasonable shape, so what? I really doubt he would be successful doing some back-flip pirouette to knock an opponent out, harm someone, etc.
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You're underestimating him , that could be a fatal mistake. Judging by his Facedork page, he is an acrobat. As such, an acrobat has been, and probably still trains nearly every day. Which, I'm absolutely sure of, means he is stronger and in better shape than 95% of the general public. Which includes me, and most likely, you and nearly every one else on this board. Even the trained (?) experts in martial arts. And he's all jacked up on whatever. My money is one the lean crazy Acrobat.


Another thing. Do you think you can get close enough to him to out that cross face chicken wing on him, while his naked ass is oozing on you, he is fighting back, eating shit and howling at the moon?
 
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to further the what if's....Rel, how would you react if she had shot him with a legally-purchased, but illegally-concealed handgun?
If she pulled a piece out of her purse and placed one shot, center mass.

How much trouble is she in for the shooting? IIRC, carrying dirty is only a misdemeanor, right? Would that change your opinion of the shoot (personal or professional)?
 
GiorgioFurioso said:
Given that this happened in SF, there is no such thing as a concealed permit. Unless you're a cop, or VERY politically connected.
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Or she has a CCW from another county and was visiting the city, but BART is a no carry zone though.
 
corndog67 said:
You're understanding estimating him , that could be a fatal mistake. Judging by his Facedork page, he is an acrobat. As such, an acrobat has been, and probably still trains nearly every day. Which, I'm absolutely sure of, means he is stronger and in better shape than 95% of the general public. Which includes me, and most likely, you and nearly every one else on this board. Even the trained (?) experts in martial arts. And he's all jacked up on whatever. My money is one the lean crazy Acrobat.


Another thing. Do you think you can get close enough to him to out that cross face chicken wing on him, while his naked ass is oozing on you, he is fighting back, eating shit and howling at the moon?
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LOL, Facedork. But yeah, I'm not saying I could take him, that he is nothing but a toned pussy, nothing like that. I just thought that the "worship" (so to speak) was over the top.

I think a trained fighter would have a significant advantage over an acrobat, but yeah, I watch the occasional UFC fight, that's it.
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
How can she shoot with a bullet gun him if he's unarmed? And "fear in her life" defined by, "attacked by an unarmed person at noon among 20 other passengers and two Transit employees"??
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There are only two tests in this case here. Doesn't matter if he was armed.
1) She was in fear for her safety, possibly her life. He chased her and cornered her;
2) He had ACCESS to her. The mere fact that he was able to touch her in the video proves that point.

Part 2 is important if you have a CCW and are going to shoot. It means that you cannot be safe in your car with the windows rolled up and shoot the guy. Even if he is pounding the crap out of your car (property damage only and that doesn't count for deadly force). He doesn't have physical access to you. Now, once he breaks a window, he now has access to you and you can blow his ass away.
 
As a recent witness to a BART "assault", the drunk woman who spun herself into the ground, I did not try to physically restrain her, even after she tried to punch the guy next to me.

Several thoughts was running thru my mind:

She wasn't much of a threat
The guy seemed to handle her fine
I didn't want her to focus her craziness on me

I could have clocked her in a second, but I knew I would have to explain to the police (at a minimum).

I'm sure if it was a more serious assault, I would have intervened, and I did stick around, stop other passengers from harassing the man who was attacked, and file a report with the police.

But I can't say my inactivity was not to my own benefit.

Would I have intervened if I saw a large crazy naked man harass a girl and about to smack her?

Yes.

But I know I would be running the entire thought process of legality, possible injury, do I really need to get involved, how am I going to deal with him...

And, btw, from my knowledge of self-defense incidents with a gun, liberal states do not view this incidents well. Remember Bernhard Goetz?
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
I think she was more in fear of being touched by a Dirty Willy.
If the woman was in fear of her life how come the man was released ?



How can she shoot with a bullet gun him if he's unarmed? And "fear in her life" defined by, "attacked by an unarmed person at noon among 20 other passengers and two Transit employees"??
And she could've accidentally shot the other people too--like the woman passing through the gate at the same time, behind the naked guy. And the guy with a bicycle too.
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Rape is a violent felony for which a person can use deadly force to defend themself/others from.


JesasaurusRex said:
maybe she could have avoided it if she didn't dress that way


i kidd i kidd
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Spot on! :thumbup

When in doubt, blame the woman.


:p
 
I like how CW Nevius is lecturing us on how to be a hero:

In a perfect world some hero or heroine would have jumped in, subdued the guy and held him until the (late-arriving) Bart and SFPD cops arrived. There was a case recently in the police reports where a purse snatcher knocked a woman down only to be confronted by a man who was an expert in martial arts.
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It seems pretty obvious if a group of people had gotten together and taken this guy on they’d have been able to subdue him quickly. At the very least they could have rescued the woman, rather than leaving her to fend for herself and run for cover.
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Anyone want to volunteer to take an elbow to the jaw or a kick to the knee cap?
 
sanjuro said:
I like how CW Nevius is lecturing us on how to be a hero:





Anyone want to volunteer to take an elbow to the jaw or a kick to the knee cap?
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Actually I have, it wasn't fun, and the guy was obviously on something (this was a burning man thing), it sucked, but I did what I needed to do, and once we had him down, I disengaged and ran into the dome to get the EMT gear that was requested.

I didn't really think of "oh man, is this whacko going to hurt me" I just heard "Dave, GET OVER HERE" and I saw what chaos was going down, and ran over.

And yeah, it is chaos, I've 'trained' in my past (Isshinryu, Shotokan, and Muay Thai), but it didn't really matter, it was assholes and elbows, and all the rules go right out the window.

AND, I had a sword (yes, a sword), and a couple knives on me, those were not even a consideration, it was close and ground, get others in the party, and then do what was asked of me from the guys that had the medical training.

And then I had to go work fights in the dome :laughing

Have I used what I was training in? Kind of...but not quite. It was more physical conditioning and reaction times over being fucking Bruce Lee or afro-ninja.

Would I do it again? Sure. I'm a kinder, gentler Valgar now, not so ready to throw a punch now that I'm off the sauce, but I still try to step in when I see something really retarded going down (but if it is domestic shit, holy crap, run away from that, or you will have 2 pissed off people going after you).

Not sure if that is the response you were looking for, but I really have a problem staying out of things when I see folks running around, yelling, or causing general mayhem.

My wife has yelled at me about it before...:/
 
corndog67 said:
Rowdy Roddy Piper would have just did a cross-face chicken wing on his ass. Tap out!

Lots of tough guys are going to do this, do that, gonna neutralize him with superior "Japanese Bastard, You Kill My Master" superpowers, yeah right.
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Me personally, I'm overweight, have not had much MMA training only what I know from horsing around with friends that do. But what I do have is the know how to throw my 250lbs of full on tackle into someone's rib cage. I can guarantee I would have taken Mr. Twinkle Toes down, and down hard. All I would have had to do was wait til he had his back to me and then BAM!!! Hit him like a Mack truck. The truth is any male in the vicinity could have done so but everyone was probably just thinking of getting home in time for dinner. If this had been at a different location I'm sure someone would have done what I'd have.
 
So many heros on the internet, too bad all those people at the bart station clearly don't have access to this www. They would surely have done something.
 
sanjuro said:
I like how CW Nevius is lecturing us on how to be a hero:

Anyone want to volunteer to take an elbow to the jaw or a kick to the knee cap?
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Let me ask you first would you? If it means defending myself, my family, or someone in immediate danger from someone like the person in question? Yes.

I've intervene into more than one conflict or condition(theft/robbery) that I believe could have escalated to a much more physical or dangerous situation. I know the risk and so does my family, if they are with me, and fortunately so far I've de-escalated or halted the tension or actions of some people. It is what Travis Haley of Haley Strategic calls Disruptive Environment.

So my second question to you Steve is are you a Sheep or a Sheepdog.
 
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