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HD aging biker problem...

BMW started the SR1000RR program to address the same problem. They need to attract younger riders to the product line.
 
HD should start making the FXWDHGSP Coffin Glide.
 
First: Don't accept the reality--that way you don't have to fix it.

Second: Try to reach out to middle aged WOMEN--look at their marketing right now, ladies finding their inner rebel, Garage Nights, etc.

Third: Hope the gubberment can put some kind of tariff on younger riders, forcing them to buy HDs...
 
bah..

just like ducati attracts men coming out of the closet in full liberace mode, harley attracts the new generation of 30-40 year olds who grew up on sprotbiles and want a new genre of motorcycling...

they acquired the skills for riding but just wanna enjoy the scenery rather than set the roads ablaze in full speed of younger years...

this is a good thing cuz the newere generations have an appreciation of all motorcycles rather than the small minded that are brand loyal only which are slowly fazing away...
 
bah..

just like ducati attracts men coming out of the closet in full liberace mode, harley attracts the new generation of 30-40 year olds who grew up on sprotbiles and want a new genre of motorcycling...

they acquired the skills for riding but just wanna enjoy the scenery rather than set the roads ablaze in full speed of younger years...

this is a good thing cuz the newere generations have an appreciation of all motorcycles rather than the small minded that are brand loyal only which are slowly fazing away...

So what about 50 somethings like me who ride sprotbikes and view Hardly's as boat anchors?
 
So what about 50 somethings like me who ride sprotbikes and view Hardly's as boat anchors?

Daymn! Thats an expensive boat anchor.:rofl Lets see, $20,000 for a heavy, under powered, piece of crap that falls apart all the time vs. a $10,000 sportbike that all I have to do is change the oil. :ride
 
redesign and xr750/1000 thats makes some power and is light weight. like under 450 at least.

seriously harley needs to step up its game and branch out from the cruisers. shit make a dirtbike/motard for fucks sake do something!!!!
 
Daymn! Thats an expensive boat anchor.:rofl Lets see, $20,000 for a heavy, under powered, piece of crap that falls apart all the time vs. a $10,000 sportbike that all I have to do is change the oil. :ride

So true :thumbup :rofl

Not to mention crappy handling. I watched a Hardly rider scare himself shitless last weekend trying to keep up with me and a buddy carving corners at a (for a sprotbike) mild pace. After a shower of sparks and an excursion over the DY he was back down to zimmer-frame pace :rofl
 
They should start making different types of bikes to attract a broader/bigger consumer range
 
bah..harley attracts the new generation of 30-40 year olds who grew up on sprotbiles and want a new genre of motorcycling...

they acquired the skills for riding but just wanna enjoy the scenery rather than set the roads ablaze in full speed of younger years...

this is a good thing cuz the newere generations have an appreciation of all motorcycles rather than the small minded that are brand loyal only which are slowly fazing away...
unlike yesteryear when HD had little to no competition in the geezer glide market, there are WAY TOOOO many mocos out there building better performing bikes. Because the new generations of HD's target demographic is coming from sportbikes, they have a better appreciation for and understanding of performance. HD can no longer rely on their "image" to sell their bikes. The modern consumer wants and demands quality performance.
HD has been feeling that heat since they tried to sue Honda for making their engines "sound" too much like an HD.
 
This morning on CNN/Fortune.com is an article on HD's aging customer base. Now that they got rid of Buell and MV Agusta, what is the solution??

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/17/autos/harley_davidson_fall.fortune/index.htm


Harley has known this for a long time (just in case it is thought that it's new and related to a News report).

Way back when the VR-1000 was designed to Race and make a name for that design..and be the cred for the V-Rod...It was because Harley knew they had to offer something the new breed would embrace (and it had to be water cooled, to meet EPA regs...while having Power).

The solution is simple...everyone else is doing the solution...the Question is...will Harley ever get their head out of their ass?

Apparently you never went into a Harley Dealership, and looked at a Buell, and had a Sales person talk about it.
Every Harley Dealership I went into...the salesman didn't know squat about what the features meant. And no way could they tell a Harley type (that would be in a Harley Dealership) what the riding was.
 
HD should start making the FXWDHGSP Coffin Glide.
:rofl

I've been a loyal H-D owner and stockholder for many years. I've always thought the Motor Co. was a marketing genius. Now that they've ejected Buell and MVAgusta, I don't know what to think. Their "core marketing" seems to center on Geezers, girls and punks. The "Dark" line of Sportsters seems to embrace young'ens with an eye to the past but a bad attitude toward the future. The Sportster SuperLow is seemingly aimed at entry level women riders. The XR1200X is the only model that makes sense to me even with all it's obvious flaws. Atleast, that's a bike you can learn to live with. It's also a bike that could attract non-Harley riders into the fold.

So, there you go....... I'm hoping that The Motor Co pulls something out of their hat..... and soon.
 
bah..

just like ducati attracts men coming out of the closet in full liberace mode, harley attracts the new generation of 30-40 year olds who grew up on sprotbiles and want a new genre of motorcycling...

THe problem is for that demographic, namely, MY demographic, you are competing with the likes of the 'Strom and company: Comfortable, cheap, good handling, and happy to ride all day...

And the likes of the Connie 14 and company: Comfortable, cheaper than a harley, good handling, happy to ride all day, and enough thrust to change the rotation of the earth...

And the likes of BMW's K-bike line: Comfortable, slightly cheaper than a Harley, great handling, happy to ride all day, as much (or MORE) badge snob appeal as a Harley, and tons o powah.


Which, you notice, is ALWAYS better handling than a Harley, ALWAYS cheaper than a Harley, as ALWAYS comfortable as the most comfortable Harleys, and either much cheaper OR much more powerful than a Harley.


Buell was Harley's demographic out: Harley is great, but they can ONLY build cruisers, which are naturally compromised on the handling department bigtime, and stuck with only being able to be those heavy, long, V-twin engines. [1]

Buell could be "Anything thats not a Harley".

A Connie 14 competitor could have been sold as a Buell. A credible F800GS competitor could have been sold as a Buell. Hell, a Burgman competitor could be sold as a Buell (I see a lot of Burgmans on the commute...)


At this point, however, Harley is screwed. They should have either shut down Buell in 2002, OR given Buell a good engine in 2002, instead of having it limp along until it was shut down...


[1] Look at how crappy the one Harley line with a decent engine, the Vrod, sells for compared with the rest of Harley's line. Even a minor deviation, such as making the V-twin water cooled and actually able to revv, kills sales.
 
bah..just like ducati attracts men coming out of the closet in full liberace mode...
I was never in the closet... So I got a Honda. (Maroon, since I couldn't find a pink one!)

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[1] Look at how crappy the one Harley line with a decent engine, the Vrod, sells for compared with the rest of Harley's line. Even a minor deviation, such as making the V-twin water cooled and actually able to revv, kills sales.

That's not what killed the V-Rod sales.

People just don't like V-Rod. People who buy Harley's don't buy Harley's so they can have something similar to a metric cruiser, or more competitive with a sport-touring bike. People who buy Harley's want the bike that Harley has made it's name with, a large comfortable air-cooled v-twin that has personality.

I like bikes that make a ton of power, that handle great and look gorgeous. I like SuperMoto's, Superbikes, Sport Touring bikes, dirtbikes, you name it... but when it came time to putting my money down on a Harley, I didn't buy a V-Rod and it wasn't because it had "a good engine that actually revs" or whatever. It didn't have the personality and soul that I've grown to love about air-cooled Harley's. And since I'm not buying a Harley for its performance on the racetrack, I passed it up. I'm no genius, but I'm sure a lot of other potential V-Rod owners felt the same when they rode one.
 
That's not what killed the V-Rod sales.

People just don't like V-Rod. People who buy Harley's don't buy Harley's so they can have something similar to a metric cruiser, or more competitive with a sport-touring bike. People who buy Harley's want the bike that Harley has made it's name with, a large comfortable air-cooled v-twin that has personality.

I like bikes that make a ton of power, that handle great and look gorgeous. I like SuperMoto's, Superbikes, Sport Touring bikes, dirtbikes, you name it... but when it came time to putting my money down on a Harley, I didn't buy a V-Rod and it wasn't because it had "a good engine that actually revs" or whatever. It didn't have the personality and soul that I've grown to love about air-cooled Harley's. And since I'm not buying a Harley for its performance on the racetrack, I passed it up. I'm no genius, but I'm sure a lot of other potential V-Rod owners felt the same when they rode one.

Only reasonable post in the thread.:thumbup
 
That's not what killed the V-Rod sales.

People just don't like V-Rod. People who buy Harley's don't buy Harley's so they can have something similar to a metric cruiser, or more competitive with a sport-touring bike. People who buy Harley's want the bike that Harley has made it's name with, a large comfortable air-cooled v-twin that has personality.

My point exactly: Harley's blessing, AND harley's curse, is they CAN NOT deviate from the air-cooled, v-twin, ill-handling cruiser template. Within that template, there is no substitute. But outside it, it just Does Not Sell.

The VRod has a great motor in it, and could be placed in a great-handling tourer chassis. And if it was a Kawasaki, or a Honda, or a BMW, or a Aprilia, it would sell as such. But it can't sell as a Harley.
 
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