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MotoGP question

I guess Honda should have never painted any of their bikes in Repsol colors because clearly GP doesn't matter to production bike sales at all.

And Ducati is wasting their time making any Rossi reps.
 
sidewazzz said:
Ever hear the term. "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday"?
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In WSBK or AMA, I could understand that. At least the bikes would be similar. That's like saying a Ford winning the Daytona 500 would make me want to buy a Ford. Why? What they drive is NOTHING like what I can buy. And NASCAR is different, because the manufacturers don't have their own team like in GP.
 
kevin 714 said:
because you could be cool like rossi, duh...
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I guess marketing doesn't work on me like it does other people. Knowing that there is (apparently) no similarity between what they ride and what I can buy just doesn't make me want to buy their bikes.
 
DaveT319 said:
In WSBK or AMA, I could understand that. At least the bikes would be similar. That's like saying a Ford winning the Daytona 500 would make me want to buy a Ford. Why? What they drive is NOTHING like what I can buy. And NASCAR is different, because the manufacturers don't have their own team like in GP.
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You're one person.


Tons of other people are influenced by wins at the top levels of racing. You don't have to buy into it but many do.
 
DaveT319 said:
Neither, because the bikes being raced are apparently nothing like the bikes I can buy. So why would their performance influence my purchase?
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Dude. What are you talking about..? :party

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Kurosaki said:
You're one person.


Tons of other people are influenced by wins at the top levels of racing. You don't have to buy into it but many do.
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I guess I'm just not as susceptible to brainwas... er, I mean, marketing as some other people.
 
DaveT319 said:
I guess marketing doesn't work on me like it does other people. Knowing that there is (apparently) no similarity between what they ride and what I can buy just doesn't make me want to buy their bikes.
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marketing works massively well. ducati, unlike the other brands, is kicking serious ass in sales through this whole economic mess. straight up rocking it.

the monster is their number one selling bike, I think the sbk is like 6th.

image is EVERYTHING. especially in moto
 
kevin 714 said:
marketing works massively well. ducati, unlike the other brands, is kicking serious ass in sales through this whole economic mess. straight up rocking it.

the monster is their number one selling bike, I think the sbk is like 6th.

image is EVERYTHING. especially in moto
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But THAT makes no sense, since Ducati isn't winning ANYTHING these days in GP. So how can you make the correlation that GP performance effects sales? If that were the case, Honda would be outselling Ducati by a ton.
 
DaveT319 said:
I guess marketing doesn't work on me like it does other people. Knowing that there is (apparently) no similarity between what they ride and what I can buy just doesn't make me want to buy their bikes.
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Well, it's a little more distant than that as the concepts, ideas and technology used in the MotoGP bikes DO find their way into production bikes at the component level. Various things like mass-centralization, engines as suspension carriers, longer swing-arms, electronic aids such as traction and wheelie-control. Not to mention way older stuff like fuel-injection, 4-valve heads, waisted bolts, etc.

Same thing with NASA's stuff. They may not be putting rocket-ships for consumers in your backyard, but we have a tonne of technology in our daily lives that were the direct descent of NASA's research. LEDs, better radial-tyres, food-processing and storage technologies (water-purification, preservatives, freeze-drying).
 
DaveT319 said:
I guess I'm just not as susceptible to brainwas... er, I mean, marketing as some other people.
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It's not brainwashing. Even I can admit that Honda and Ducati are my top two favorite brands. A lot of which has to do with their racing history. Of course I like their bikes but I also like what they've achieved on the track.

To be completely real, WSBK bikes these days aren't exactly too close to their production brethren either. They just look the part much better than a GP bike obviously. They use practically the same type of suspensions and electronics as GP bikes do.

If you want to be influenced by racing that is really based on what you buy in the showroom, then Superstock racing is what you want.
 
All this discussion of MotoGP bikes being like street bikes...

Who in the hell wants a MotoGP bike? I personally don't have the funds to employ an entire crew to get it running before every ride...
 
DaveT319 said:
But THAT makes no sense, since Ducati isn't winning ANYTHING these days in GP. So how can you make the correlation that GP performance effects sales? If that were the case, Honda would be outselling Ducati by a ton.
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I said marketing not wining
 
DaveT319 said:
But THAT makes no sense, since Ducati isn't winning ANYTHING these days in GP. So how can you make the correlation that GP performance effects sales? If that were the case, Honda would be outselling Ducati by a ton.
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Ducati has Rossi (and Nicky) and people are still behind those two riders even while they are wallowing mid to rear of the pack.
 
DaveT319 said:
That makes little sense. Why would wins sell bikes if the bikes people can buy have NOTHING in common with GP bikes? Maybe WSBK bikes, since they are most like street bikes. But the GP bikes? They really spend tens of millions JUST for the racing, and not to improve technologies for street bikes? That does not seem cost-effective to me.

Yes, I know that was a lot of assumptions. Obviously I'm no expert. I just figured there had to be some other benefit besides marketing.
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Cost effective means "makes money". That's why Kawi quit MotoGP and Suzuki and Yami are running out of bikes. That's why Dunlop and Michelin are gone. If they wanted to develop tires why would they quit? Take your average inline four motor, the backbone of the sportbikes. What major changes have happened in the last ten years? Mostly valvetrain. Ti valves, lighter cams, lighter lighter lighter. That's IT! Nikasil cylinders been around forever. The manufacturers want to get the weight down and HP up. You telling me tens or hundreds of millions in Moto GP spending has resulted in Ti valves ( that cost $100 apiece.)?
 
Dave, what point are you trying to make exactly?


Not everybody thinks like you. Different people spend their money for different reasons.

To you, buying a bike based off of anything that happens in MotoGP makes zero sense.

I would say you can make the argument that bikes are so close in terms of performance, to the average Joe it really doesn't make a different what you buy (as far as performance is considered). They're all fast. So what's wrong with making your choice based on other criteria? For some, identifying with the brand can make their decision.
 
DaveT319 said:
Cosmetically looking a little like them is different from performing at all like them. Granted, if they really WERE like the real thing, people would crash them almost immediately.
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Aside from street legal headlights, turn signals, mirrors, DOT tires, Euro emissions & EPA compliant exhaust systems and gearing ratios... That's about as close as any mere mortal will get to the real deal..! :ride

I mean, what else do you want..? Do you have a couple of million Dollars laying around..? Are you planning to start your own race team..? What the hell do you need a real race bike for anyway..? :|

DaveT319 said:
But THAT makes no sense, since Ducati isn't winning ANYTHING these days in GP. So how can you make the correlation that GP performance effects sales? If that were the case, Honda would be outselling Ducati by a ton.
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Ducati currently has one of the most popular, charismatic, winningest riders in MotoGP history and another pupular American rider (zoog or not) who is still the reigning champion of the 2006 season in their squad. Not to mention 2007's GP championship victory and this year's WSBK season..! :thumbup
 
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DaveT319 said:
In WSBK or AMA, I could understand that. At least the bikes would be similar. That's like saying a Ford winning the Daytona 500 would make me want to buy a Ford. Why? What they drive is NOTHING like what I can buy. And NASCAR is different, because the manufacturers don't have their own team like in GP.
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Ever see a Repsol Honda (1000rr and 600rr)?

Ever see a Telefonica and Corona GSXR's?

Ever see the main colors in any model Sportbike usually resembles the factory team colors?
 
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