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pepper sprayed for "walking too close"

If the teacher hadn't been yacking on the phone he probably would have been more aware of his surroundings and moved. I've been in crowds where the police have been involved and its always been a no brainier to stay out of their way. Whether you do it deliberately or obliviously doesn't mean it's fair...just predictable.

The police are responding to felony assault, and there were people in the crowd refusing to disperse. No doubt the lady cop in the first video sounded hysterical, but how do you think they should handle it? How do you think incidents like this would have been handled 20 years ago?

I think you and I both know the real problem are the shit stirrers who deliberately incite these types of incidents.

Again: yep, since he attended a MLK rally and someone did something bad a half a block away, he deserves to be pepper sprayed as he is leaving...in fact, I especially like how she sprayed him as he was already partially past her, because his body language absolutely screamed "prepping for attack". :thumbup

If they are blocking the crowd from an officer who was attacked, yes, it's more than enough reason. Nor do you know the man's intentions. Someone committed a serious misdemeanor or even felony, yes they do get to keep people away.

Yep, walking past someone is definitely reason for pepper spray. :thumbup
the trained policewoman could tell by the way he was "unaware of his surroundings" that he had nefarious intent..and even if he didn't, he was there when someone did something bad so fuck him, dirty fucking hippie protestor scum.
 
Things have improved quite a bit. All the old videos I see from the 60's the police are aggressively going after people with night sticks and knocking heads. Now they're using pepper spray, much more humane. Maybe things will continue to progress?
 
Things have improved quite a bit. All the old videos I see from the 60's the police are aggressively going after people with night sticks and knocking heads. Now they're using pepper spray, much more humane. Maybe things will continue to progress?

That's progress?:laughing:afm199
 
Things have improved quite a bit. All the old videos I see from the 60's the police are aggressively going after people with night sticks and knocking heads. Now they're using pepper spray, much more humane. Maybe things will continue to progress?

Your half-full attitude is commendable.
 
Again: yep, since he attended a MLK rally and someone did something bad a half a block away, he deserves to be pepper sprayed as he is leaving...in fact, I especially like how she sprayed him as he was already partially past her, because his body language absolutely screamed "prepping for attack". :thumbup



Yep, walking past someone is definitely reason for pepper spray. :thumbup
the trained policewoman could tell by the way he was "unaware of his surroundings" that he had nefarious intent..and even if he didn't, he was there when someone did something bad so fuck him, dirty fucking hippie protestor scum.

His reason for being there has nothing to do with this. He was in a crowd. A crowd where some unknown agitators took out a cop. A rational person who was paying attention would have been one of the many people going the other direction.

I'd be pissed if I were him, but I can think of a lot of things I was pissed about at the time and later realized wee my own damn fault.
 
obvious racism. white cop pepper sprays innocent black school teacher.



good spray? anyone? :laughing
 
His reason for being there has nothing to do with this. He was in a crowd. A crowd where some unknown agitators took out a cop. A rational person who was paying attention would have been one of the many people going the other direction.

I'd be pissed if I were him, but I can think of a lot of things I was pissed about at the time and later realized wee my own damn fault.

So it is your position that the officer is completely justified on dousing someone leaving an area they were told to leave, because they weren't paying attention and walked past the police officer.
Did you note in the video that she sprayed him not add he was approaching her, but after he was partially past her?
So like I said, it is ok in your eyes to be sprayed for attending a rally because someone somewhere did something bad. :thumbup
 
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So it is your position that the officer is completely justified on dousing someone leaving an area they were told to leave, because they weren't paying attention and walked past the police officer.
Did you note in the video that she sprayed him not add he was approaching her, but after he was partially past her?
So like I said, it is ok in your eyes to be sprayed for attending a rally because someone somewhere did something bad. :thumbup

The guys own attorney admitted the cop may have been aiming at a woman behind the defendant.

And my position is that this is more an issue of someone walking around without paying attention to their surroundings. There is a cop yelling hysterically for people to get back and th guy is actually walking TOWARDS the cop next to her.

I have no doubt the MLK rally and the plaintiff were not doing anything wrong. And while I agree spraying him was unnecessary in hindsight, I can also see people in the crowd swinging things at cops only a few feet away. It was a volatile situation caused by the people who assaulted the cops. Anyone paying attention would have seen that and backed the fuck up.

Meanwhile I'll be headed to Cosco today where I'll see similarly clueless people blocking aisles as they talk on the phone. Wouldn't mind me if someone pepper sprayed them.
 
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So like I said, it is ok in your eyes to be sprayed for attending a rally because someone somewhere did something bad. :thumbup

The guys own attorney admitted the cop may have been aiming at a woman behind the defendant.

And my position is that this is more an issue of someone walking around without paying attention to their surroundings. There is a cop yelling hysterically for people to get back and th guy is actually walking TOWARDS the cop next to her.

I have no doubt the MLK rally and the plaintiff were not doing anything wrong. And while I agree spraying him was unnecessary in hindsight, I can also see people in the crowd swinging things at cops only a few feet away. It was a volatile situation caused by the people who assaulted the cops. Anyone paying attention would have seen that and backed the fuck up.

In other words, yes. :laughing
 
We (BARF, society, the short bus) can debate this shit all we want. People can protest until the cows come home. DA's can pursue excessive force cases here and there. People can even win multimillion dollar civil judgements once in a while (it's just a redistribution of tax money.)

The simple fact is this. The cops aren't losing this fight. Law enforcement, the system, the institutions behind it, the broader population relying on the institutions, the system and law enforcement aren't losing this fight. Protesters can protest until the cows come home, until they're old and grey, and then stepping into their grave. And they will lose the fight.

Doesn't matter which side you're on or what you believe is right or wrong. What matters is practical reality. If people want to waste their time/lives in the streets protesting rather than getting on with their lives, I wish them the best of luck. But it isn't going to make a lick of difference. This isn't Rosa Parks on the bus or MLK on a bridge in Selma. The issues are vastly different and the outcome will be as well. These protests are just noise. Which will eventually fade.

Strongly worded for statist apologetics. And I was under the impression that you're under the impression that you are a libertarian. Demonstration is part of the fundamentals of American freedom and maintenance of it. You can't seriously believe that demonstration is always fruitless.
 
If the teacher hadn't been yacking on the phone he probably would have been more aware of his surroundings and moved. I've been in crowds where the police have been involved and its always been a no brainier to stay out of their way. Whether you do it deliberately or obliviously doesn't mean it's fair...just predictable.

The police are responding to felony assault, and there were people in the crowd refusing to disperse. No doubt the lady cop in the first video sounded hysterical, but how do you think they should handle it? How do you think incidents like this would have been handled 20 years ago?

I think you and I both know the real problem are the shit stirrers who deliberately incite these types of incidents.
Yep, the teacher should have realized that the police are a THREAT and protected himself!

And he should thankful that in the past, he could have been beaten down with nightsticks then charged with resisting arrest!
 
Things have improved quite a bit. All the old videos I see from the 60's the police are aggressively going after people with night sticks and knocking heads. Now they're using pepper spray, much more humane. Maybe things will continue to progress?

You forgot fire hoses Tim...:afm199
 
I saw 10-15 cops called in to a situation where one of their coworkers had been attacked. One admittedly hysterical officer was a bit over zealous with pepper spray. in a perfect world you'd have perfect cops who'd always use perfect judgement. We don't live in that world

I'd like that things like this didn't happen, but understand the reality that they will. The situation that caused it won't go away, and cops are going to remain human for the foreseeable future. I'm totally against the militarization of police, yet here we have cops on mountain bikes. We can debate how this could have been avoided, but under the circumstances I don't see what
 
And do you think any of this would have happened if some shit stirrers hadn't attacked a cop?

I have no knowledge of how these particular two individuals might have interacted, if at all, had the 'shit stirrers' not attacked a cop. I fail to see what difference that makes, as that is completely irrelevant and hypothetical.

What I do know is that an individual who was following orders to disperse was pepper sprayed after he was almost entirely past the line of cops because
EITHER:
a) he was stupid to watch where he was going because he was talking to his mommy and got too close to the line of officers, thereby deserving of a good capsaicin facial...
OR:
b)the officer decided that anyone walking too close to her, even if they posed no threat, should get sprayed as a matter of course...
OR:
c) the lady on the other side of the teacher was such a threat that it did not matter to officer angry-spray who else may suffer inhaled irritant, as long as that damn lady walking away from her got some of it also.



Let me tell you a story. Kinda long, hella relevant.

I was attending a function in the city years ago, when I first moved to the bay area. Big deal function, advertised everywhere, many levels of social and economic strata. Almost a hundred bucks a ticket, iirc.
Towards the end of the evening, I happened to be in the right spot at the right time. An exterior door opened, and cops started flowing through. One or two walked in and hesitated as one or two followed then stood next to them, then they waited while the next cops walked through, joined them in a line, and waited for the next two...in no time at all the officers had materialized into a cohesive line and secured the entire corner of the room. As part of my brain was appreciating the precision of this, they started moving forward and many of them began yelling "PARTY'S OVER!!" "EVERYONE HAS TO LEAVE NOW!", all the while having their ranks increased by more and more cops. By this point there easily twenty cops, and like the hits, they just kept coming. All this is happening in a matter of seconds.

So. Loud ass party in a giant venue (multi-story) with more than one band per level, raucous crowd, drinks...but at no point did I see that the party was out of control or wild, and I LOVE wild and out-of-control parties.

As I'm watching this and maneuvering myself away from the cops, a random dude walks by with his lady, somewhat in the general direction of the cops, but doesn't seem to be aware that things have changed. No one has, there is a lot of noise and merriment, and this is all happening right now, fluid as fuck.
Cop walks up to random dude and swats the drink forcefully out of the dude's hand. The dude looks up, and the cop grabs him by his shirt, yanks him forward and kinda tosses him behind him (and therefore, into the cops' secured area) where he is IMMEDIATELY grabbed by another cop, zip tied like a dirty hippie, and is practically dragged outside through the door.

I obviously took that as a sign from God the man that the party was indeed over, so I high-tailed it the other way, found my friends and GTFO.
As our limo was driving away I saw 2 'paddy wagons' at the corner with a lot of people being processed. I wondered if that one random dude was charged with disorderly conduct, drunk in public, resisting arrest, failure to disperse...

So that random dude was exactly like the teacher in our current scenario, and I feel exactly the same way about both incidents.
 
Strongly worded for statist apologetics. And I was under the impression that you're under the impression that you are a libertarian. Demonstration is part of the fundamentals of American freedom and maintenance of it. You can't seriously believe that demonstration is always fruitless.

Gee, you want to pick and choose the laws you obey and bitch about the consequences when it goes bad.

Next time a cop lights you up on the freeway, just ignore them. They are infringing on your rights.
 
Gee, you want to pick and choose the laws you obey and bitch about the consequences when it goes bad.

Next time a cop lights you up on the freeway, just ignore them. They are infringing on your rights.

I'm sorry if I missed something, but what laws were broken at this rally? And where did I endorse breaking laws? Strawman doesn't really do justice to your logical fallacy.
 
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