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S1KRR...The new squid bike?

Audacious Nick said:
Pretty sure a S1kRR retails for the same($13,800) as a GSXR 1k($13,500), and it still has more power without the technology stuff. Or are you going to try to make up the power difference with 300 dollars?
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Please, that comparison is meaningless. The GSXR can be had for way under retail and without the TC option you won't even be able use the power difference of the BMW, because the bike will put the average rider on his head if they tried. Nobody's gonna buy the base BMW. The BMW is at least $5k+ more than a Jap liter bike (and way uglier, excluding the Gixxer).
 
Burning1 said:
Honestly, BMW is the only company putting MotoGP level TC on a low-cost sport bike.
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That is not even close to MotoGP TC. That is just sales hype. BMW doesn't even have access to MotoGP technology.
 
JO EBRMC said:
That is not even close to MotoGP TC. That is just sales hype. BMW doesn't even have access to MotoGP technology.
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I'm basing that on my understanding of the technology, not on sales hype. BMW is using gyroscopic bank angle sensors, and wheel speed differential as a primary source of data for the TC system. Yeah, the software isn't as complex as is being deployed in moto GP these days, and the system does not use GPS data for obvious reasons... But it's in the same league as what MotoGP was running a few years ago.

The systems that Bazazz, Yoshimura, Ducati and Kawasaki sell aren't anywhere close to what BMW is doing.
 
Archimedes said:
Please, that comparison is meaningless. The GSXR can be had for way under retail and without the TC option you won't even be able use the power difference of the BMW, because the bike will put the average rider on his head if they tried. Nobody's gonna buy the base BMW. The BMW is at least $5k+ more than a Jap liter bike (and way uglier, excluding the Gixxer).
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Personally... If I wanted a new, top of the line I4, I'd get the S1000RR with all the bells and whistles. If I wanted a cheap bike, I'd buy a used Japanese. So, not a fair comparison for sure, but perhaps not in the way you're suggesting.
 
I'd rather crash a $3k bike than be scared of riding a $15k bike.
 
Aluisious said:
I'd rather crash a $3k bike than be scared of riding a $15k bike.
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Would you rather get crabs from a $20 whore or bang a $500 one.
 
Burning1 said:
I'm basing that on my understanding of the technology, not on sales hype. BMW is using gyroscopic bank angle sensors, and wheel speed differential as a primary source of data for the TC system. Yeah, the software isn't as complex as is being deployed in moto GP these days, and the system does not use GPS data for obvious reasons... But it's in the same league as what MotoGP was running a few years ago.

The systems that Bazazz, Yoshimura, Ducati and Kawasaki sell aren't anywhere close to what BMW is doing.
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The difference is that all of those other guys built and tested their technology on the track while BMW built a streetbike and set ab0out racing with it. That isn't intended as a slight against the BMW but rather an important consideration when evaluating the relative capabilities.

We haven't really seen equally equipped BMW/Kawasaki/Bazazz-equiped GSX-R comparison.

Just because it is reportedly more complex doesn't mean it works better.
 
S1000RR is an amazing motorcycle but in terms of being the squid's choice, I'm not sure...

I've read that the beemer has some kind of electronic gismo that prevents you from doing wheelies (for extended periods of time anyways). Although it would be cool to have an EWP (electronic wheelie protection) system, which allows the rider only to get as high as the balance point before intervening & let's you ride the wheelie as long as you want.
 
250gpracer said:
...I've read that the beemer has some kind of electronic gismo that prevents you from doing wheelies (for extended periods of time anyways)....
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First of all, any electro technology that the S1000RR has can be turned off with the touch of a button.

Isn't it nice we have choices.

Michael
 
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Gixxers are still the king of squid bikes. BMW's S1KRR is catching up though. I'm seeing more and more of them, but I don't know about the financing side, except to say that its been tough on banks in terms of defaults, maybe the japanese ones are being hit harder, but I don't know. Suffice it to say, they are all feeling the sting of a bad economy.

But yeah, as others have mentioned, with 600's now in the 11K price range, its hard to imagine how expensive they've become and with tighter credit guidelines and high prices, it won't be easy to get financed.
 
TripleThreat said:
First of all, any technology that the S1000RR has can be turned off with the touch of a button.

Isn't it nice we have choices.

Michael
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Is that button the "Enter" button? I asked my buddy about that and he said you need to plug into the computer and switch to the "Slicks" engine mapping.
 
monkeythumpa said:
Is that button the "Enter" button? I asked my buddy about that and he said you need to plug into the computer and switch to the "Slicks" engine mapping.
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Yes a plug is needed in is to set the bike into the most radical of 4 maps (Slick mode).

Modes: Rain>Sport>Race>Slick

Hope this helps,

silverbelt said:
Gixxers are still the king of squid bikes. BMW's S1KRR is catching up though.....
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Guess I'm behind the times, I thought R1's were the king of the squids bikes.

Michael
 
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TripleThreat said:
First of all, any technology that the S1000RR has can be turned off with the touch of a button.

Isn't it nice we have choices.

Michael
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Really? because when I test rode the bike, the salesman said he has to stick some kind of flash drive in the ass of the motorcycle in order to switch to slick mode (not just a simple button)...so i pretty much had to ride it in the various pussy modes (rain, sport, race etc.) instead.
 
Go figure, the salesman wouldn't let you ride it in slicks mode when you didn't have slicks.
 
Aluisious said:
Go figure, the salesman wouldn't let you ride it in slicks mode when you didn't have slicks.
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Coincidentally, it wasn't raining when I had it in rain mode either.

But seriously... you don't need slicks to ride in that mode, smart guy. You don't get more power between slick mode & race / sport modes (rain mode is the only one with less power). They just have different thresholds for ABS, tilt sensor, DTC, ECU etc. & because I wasn't at the track, it wouldn't make a difference.
 
Aluisious said:
It probably makes a difference to their liability.
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I am not sure slick mode is street legal in CA...at least I think I remember reading something to that effect...although a number of people do ride slick mode on the street. You do need to insert a jumper to activate the slick mode option, but after that a push of a button toggles you between the 4 modes. Also there is the ability to toggle on or off the DTC or the ABS independent of which mode you are in. Choices.
 
i still cant see it being a squid bike. Too many squids i know that just doesnt like the front look of the bike...

the bike seems to be doing fine in SBK... there's only 3 riders on em but they managed to get some podium standings and a few races start real well.

where are you seeing squids ride s1000's???
 
crick said:
i still cant see it being a squid bike. Too many squids i know that just doesnt like the front look of the bike...
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I don't like the front end on that bike either... I must be a squid. :(:cry
 
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