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Skully P-1 what is your take on it?

like i said, the tech is good, but the mfg has no previous industry experience designing a helmet

i cant trust my head with the latter, its like using my head as the prototype crashing so they can evolve their helmet designs

imo they should patent and sell their tech to shoei arai, id buy it if it had a shoei or arai sticker on it xD
 
Z3n said:
Ultimately the standard keeps them honest, not history and patents.

All helmets are functionally the same - hard shell, eps liner. That hasn't changed in decades. Do your research.
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really think the basis of arai and shoei and agv and bell designs are all the same? :rofl

fyi a humans head has multiple shapes and sizes, the only mfg i know of right now is Arai who has specific head shapes desinged into certain models, not all helmets are created the same, arai only has like 10-20 individuals in the world who hand craft each and every helmet

there is alot more to just putting the base layer and top layer on top of the helmet, im sure there are years of R&D to prove out just the viewing angles of where the riders eyes should be generally sitting and how wide their FOV should be, not to mention years of windtests and years of trying new material to get the windnoise down comfort levels up and low drag, that is why these companies have such a dominant market share, they are merely improving on their previous models
 
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FXCLM5 said:
like i said, the tech is good, but the mfg has no previous industry experience designing a helmet

i cant trust my head with the latter, its like using my head as the prototype crashing so they can evolve their helmet designs

imo they should patent and sell their tech to shoei arai
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IIRC, they add their technology into someone else's helmet. They aren't doing any of the production themselves.
 
mrzuzzo said:
IIRC, they add their technology into someone else's helmet. They aren't doing any of the production themselves.
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thats fine, until they state that the helmet mfg who is designing their helmets has had years and years of R&D behind it, is it safe to say this mfg is releasing their first ever helmet to the public?
 
The problem I'm now having, as this whole thing develops is that they're promising a product they haven't produced on a mass scale yet, and relying on "crowdsourceing" for their funding.

What that means to this layperson is that they couldn't sell the project idea to a venture-capitalist. What that also means to this layperson is that I probably don't want to give them any money until the product is in full production.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Interesting that you mention that... they are being very secretive about their manufacturer and aren't disclosing: https://www.facebook.com/SkullyHelmets/posts/347757162047525
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yea looks like they just dodge it and say its gonna be DOT and ECE certified,

so no Snell?

still dunno how ppl are ordering them without even trying them on, wtf they gonna do when the liner compresses into their forehead too much and they just have a head that is incorrectly fitting in a brand new helmet :(
 
boney said:
The problem I'm now having, as this whole thing develops is that they're promising a product they haven't produced on a mass scale yet, and relying on "crowdsourceing" for their funding.

What that means to this layperson is that they couldn't sell the project idea to a venture-capitalist. What that also means to this layperson is that I probably don't want to give them any money until the product is in full production.
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They have previous investment. I understand the crowd funding is really pre-orders. It's not that uncommon, really.
 
Surj said:
They have previous investment. I understand the crowd funding is really pre-orders. It's not that uncommon, really.
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No, it's not. And it doesn't instill confidence. Here's why;

Coin is doing the same thing. About 6 months ago Coin said they'd have their product ready by "Summer 2014." They started taking pre-orders for "half price" and continue to string people along with positive emails promising an awesome product. They even have a "crew of testers" out there plugging them into all the card readers they can find. And they keep promising summer 2014.

Summer is almost over now and suddenly it's "beta testers sign up now to receive your beta Coin this fall!" And everyone else will get one in the Spring of 2015!

So no, this crowd sourcing thing implies that Skully doesn't have anything near a complete product, doesn't have strong if any backers and is basically on a shoestring budget begging people to buy into their ideas.

I remember a time when people would pitch a product to someone with money and that guy would lay it out for a portion of the company. I guess now all you have to do is convince a whole bunch of internet strangers to buy a promise.

It's working for Coin. They missed their promise by 6 months or more. I wonder when or if the first production Skully will ship.
 
boney said:
No, it's not. And it doesn't instill confidence. Here's why;

Coin is doing the same thing. About 6 months ago Coin said they'd have their product ready by "Summer 2014." They started taking pre-orders for "half price" and continue to string people along with positive emails promising an awesome product. They even have a "crew of testers" out there plugging them into all the card readers they can find. And they keep promising summer 2014.

Summer is almost over now and suddenly it's "beta testers sign up now to receive your beta Coin this fall!" And everyone else will get one in the Spring of 2015!

So no, this crowd sourcing thing implies that Skully doesn't have anything near a complete product, doesn't have strong if any backers and is basically on a shoestring budget begging people to buy into their ideas.

I remember a time when people would pitch a product to someone with money and that guy would lay it out for a portion of the company. I guess now all you have to do is convince a whole bunch of internet strangers to buy a promise.

It's working for Coin. They missed their promise by 6 months or more. I wonder when or if the first production Skully will ship.
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While I agree, Coin is being annoying as hell with these emails. But for a new product that has never been done, I would prefer a 6 month delay and it's done right then get a shitty product that is release on time.
 
MikeL said:
While I agree, Coin is being annoying as hell with these emails. But for a new product that has never been done, I would prefer a 6 month delay and it's done right then get a shitty product that is release on time.
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Agreed. With Coin an early adopter would only be out $50 and not $700 or $1300.
 
No one's forcing anyone to buy anything.

And the history of pre-ordered investment schemes failing is nothing new. Didn't this happen in the '80s with some European company that was going to develop a new supercar? A bunch of rich folks invested and pre-ordered a car that kept getting pushed back. Then a couple years later, those that didn't somehow manage pull out and get their money back got a POS that really didn't deliver on what was promised?

It's not like anyone here is Dorothy and they've pulled back the curtain and discovered some new scheme that people are falling for hook, line, and sinker. Plus, this is a much smaller scale investment than something like the previously mentioned car. If you can't afford the gamble, don't order the product. $1500 is a lot of money to most of us on BARF, but this is the bay area. For some folks, that's like a Monday night bar tab. It's that simple. No one's forcing anyone to play the game.

I'm betting that if/when this does finally come to fruition, they probably will eventually sell the tech to other manufacturers. There's probably a lot more $ to be made by licensing it to every other helmet manufacturer that wants to offer a helmet with the features than to gamble on being the one niche helmet company that does offer them. I've read reviews that O'Neal's bluetooth helmet is the best one to make use of that technology. But how many people do you know buying those? But if someone like Shoei or Arai was able to integrate it seamlessly into their helmets, I bet you'd see a lot more on the road.

I'm sure helmet manufacturers are watching this closely. I think it's a bit odd that not a single one of the big lid makers has had a comment about it yet.
 
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I haven't followed this project as closely as others, but what it sounds like to me is that of the Pebble Smartwatch - they launched their kickstarter, funds skyrocketed, they made big promises, and when their launch date hit, no watches showed up in the post. And I don't believe they did for another 12-18 months.

Why? because delivering quality products on that scale is very difficult for a small organization. Even outsourcing production to chinese manufacturers, these companies have no design or engineering R&D to fall back on. It takes time and a lot of money.

Conversely, look at at the Ouya Android game console that was also funded through kickstarter. It shipped on schedule and on budget. It was also a piece of shit that no one wanted.

Honestly, the best option for the Skully is to have their crowdsourced funding seen as seed money to launch a proper venture capital funding campaign, or even a corporate buyout by a proper helmet manufacturer - similar to the Oculus. I don't know how much money their campaign closed with, but I can tell you this: It isn't enough to develop a technology rich safety product, and shore up their legal department as soon as a single litigious rider or widowed spouse suffers a loss and smells blood in the water.

Ultimately, I think it's a great product, and it doesn't surprise me that its a ways off. The people who dropped $1500 deserve a quality product, as they're the early adopters and it's through their word the product will be evangelized. Be patient.

Lastly, Kickstarter is not a preorder.

I'll repeat that, because people always forget it, or choose to ignore it.

Kickstarter is not a preorder.
 
psychocandy said:
I'm sure helmet manufacturers are watching this closely. I think it's a bit odd that not a single one of the big lid makers has had a comment about it yet.
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i gurantee you skully has tried to get the big name mfg to sign up as a mfg partner, most of them probably said no, were not going to add a giant bulge to our helmet design to implement your tech - there is 0 R&D to prove this bulge out and we are too busy creating our evolution of our previous models and no way are we going to stop and change our molds to accommodate such a giant bulge.

so in other words go find a mfg of helmets that will adopt your tech and design it and spend the $ to get it crashed and certified, this is probably the main reason they will not disclose the helmet mfg, because its prolly some startup company nobody has ever heard of and is finally pushing their first ever helmet to the public - which i just really want to know how much R&D went into the design of the helmet - along with the fitment of the helmet
 
I'm not really here to evangelize the product as I won't be able to get my grubby mitts on something like this until it gets MUCH lower in cost. But it seems pretty clear that this will eventually be something that is pretty commonplace.

If Skully decides to license their tech out, other helmet manufacturers won't need to spend money on their own R&D.

Unlikely scenario 1: Skully perfects it and takes off. Eventually people will be all: "Shoei? Never heard of 'em!"

Probably more likely: Skully perfects it and instead of trying to build their brand as an upstart new helmet manufacturer, they decide to license the tech and make bank.

Another possibility: Skully perfects it, but they don't take off. Someone bigger buys the tech and introduces it with their own brand, reputation, and resources behind it to give it the push it needs.

Another possibility: No one cares and it goes nowhere. I don't really see this happening.
 
FXCLM5 said:
really think the basis of arai and shoei and agv and bell designs are all the same? :rofl

fyi a humans head has multiple shapes and sizes, the only mfg i know of right now is Arai who has specific head shapes desinged into certain models, not all helmets are created the same, arai only has like 10-20 individuals in the world who hand craft each and every helmet

there is alot more to just putting the base layer and top layer on top of the helmet, im sure there are years of R&D to prove out just the viewing angles of where the riders eyes should be generally sitting and how wide their FOV should be, not to mention years of windtests and years of trying new material to get the windnoise down comfort levels up and low drag, that is why these companies have such a dominant market share, they are merely improving on their previous models
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:laughing

Marketing.

:laughing
 
FXCLM5 said:
like i said before, this helmet needs to be crash tested in real world scenarios, before i wear it on a track, other mfg have years and years of data to evolve their designs,

1st design may be tailored to get more tech features in the helmet instead of actually designing a shell that absorbs the energy on impact?

i like it too, but the price point is staggering and am not convinced its worth 2x more then your shoei or arai
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Skully finally announces a release date for their helmet and apparently they're going to stick to it.

Their building is about 1/2 a block from my work and I ran into a few of their employees at SuperPlush about a year ago. Real nice guys and one has a Dakar KTM ADV that he rides like a fucking mad man, I loved watching that guy ride.

I still see having only one helmet as an issue. They'll likely have one headshape and if it's not yours, no skully for you. Granted, I don't want one, if I did, I'd be bummed.

Anyway, here's the A&R article.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/skully-delay-video-message/
 
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