Slow riding practice tips?

[tzrider]

So basically, then, you do it literally for no other reason than to do it. It serves no purpose other than to get you off the farm, and pointlessly wearing the knobbies off your tires...

If beginner wants to do exercises in a parking lot and has fun, it's his business. There is a tendency on BARF to ridicule riders who don't do the same thing the majority do. In practical terms, a run up Mines Road also serves little purpose but to get you out of the house and wear out some rubber. It's recreation.

The only issue I've ever had with beginner is his tendency to induce that things that have proven useful in his low speed drills would be of great benefit to people who ride in other, higher speed settings. If he wants to ride in a parking lot for the sake of getting good at that, fine. If he's trying to assert that hours and hours of parking lot drills is necessary for people who ride on the street, he's off base.

For the time being, he seems to have backed off on the latter. I'd encourage people to consider whether they're capping on him because they want to make a joke about how he chooses to spend time or if he's spouting misinformation that matters.

 

[UDRider]

You know what, I think Beginner convinced me. From now on I'll start practicing figure 8s in parking lot endlessly in the hopes that in 10 years, well 7 now, I can advance to riding roads I have been riding already. This time with all my knowledge of figure 8's I surely be better. To emulate beginner technique as much as possible I will also put knobies on my supersport. I am sure I can jury rig something with judicious application of ductape.

 

[revnort]

1. Fixed.
2. He's not asking you to advise him- he's asking you to provide specific examples of actual riding where your parking lot drills ad nauseum are of benefit. How would your obsessive-compulsive repetitive drilling in the parking lot benefit ANYONE who's actually out riding in the Real World?

Exactly. How has it helped you out on the road? How could help me out on the road? You have made claims about the safety of these exercises so I am asking you to back up those claims with some examples.

If you like doing these exercises because they are fun, fine. Don't make claims about their benefit especially if you are ignorant of that benefit. The point of them is to make you a better real world rider. They are supplemental exercises to ACTUAL riding, not a substitute. Apply it to some real world riding and I can guarantee you will be better in the parking lot because of it, and that seems to be your only goal.

As has already been suggested (and I somehow missed you have rejected the idea) GO TAKE REAL CLASSES WITH A REAL INSTRUCTOR. Take the MSF, take a police training course. Take any rider class really. They will help you with your exercises and provide actual context.

Also as I believe someone pointed out remember what the Hurt report says about those who are self taught.

You seem to think everyone is attacking you because of the 'PLP' drills. That isn't quite true. People are attacking you because you are spreading bad information, because you ignore advice even from those who you had been asking to join this thread as PLP gods, because you refuse to take a real rider course with a real instructor, and because you seem to not really all that interested in becoming a better real world rider. People here are trying to help you and you refuse to see it, and even fight it. That is what is driving everyone effing crazy.

 

[revnort]

If beginner wants to do exercises in a parking lot and has fun, it's his business. There is a tendency on BARF to ridicule riders who don't do the same thing the majority do. In practical terms, a run up Mines Road also serves little purpose but to get you out of the house and wear out some rubber. It's recreation.

The only issue I've ever had with beginner is his tendency to induce that things that have proven useful in his low speed drills would be of great benefit to people who ride in other, higher speed settings. If he wants to ride in a parking lot for the sake of getting good at that, fine. If he's trying to assert that hours and hours of parking lot drills is necessary for people who ride on the street, he's off base.

For the time being, he seems to have backed off on the latter. I'd encourage people to consider whether they're capping on him because they want to make a joke about how he chooses to spend time or if he's spouting misinformation that matters.

+1 you wrote this while I was writing my novel down there. I guess I am

Despite the ribbing he is getting if you strip away the misinformation aspect, I really do think people have a desire to help him improve his riding. They want him to broaden his horizons because it will help him.

 

[tzrider]

Despite the ribbing he is getting if you strip away the misinformation aspect, I really do think people have a desire to help him improve his riding. They want him to broaden his horizons because it will help him.

I think there's truth to that, but we've been overlooking something: With all of this talk about "real world" riding, we're overlooking the fact that his real world is a parking lot and a farm. I'm not trying to be funny; as far as I can tell, that's where he wants to ride.

 

[wingnutthehutt]

I think there's truth to that, but we've been overlooking something: With all of this talk about "real world" riding, we're overlooking the fact that his real world is a parking lot and a farm. I'm not trying to be funny; as far as I can tell, that's where he wants to ride.

He's said before that he doesn't want to ride on busy public roads and that it scares him. The problem is that he keeps trying to convert people to his type of riding and convince everyone that this is the best way to learn. I think after fifteen minutes doing his kind of riding i would sell my bike.

More power to Beginner for enjoying himself safely, but I'm not drinkin' the cool-aid.

 

[louemc]

Can we Have A Moment of silence for all the knobs that were sacrificed on the pavement, when all they wanted to do was get a good bite into some dirt? To live the life they were born for, before losing their leading corner edge?

To have this ripped away on the un-yielding, and unforgiving pavement...is a sin committed...and deserves punishment.

 

[revnort]

I think there's truth to that, but we've been overlooking something: With all of this talk about "real world" riding, we're overlooking the fact that his real world is a parking lot and a farm. I'm not trying to be funny; as far as I can tell, that's where he wants to ride.

But he talks about learning this and then learning to go fast, in five years of this he may be good enough to try some other stuff etc. So he indicates there is more he wants to do... He really thinks he is preparing himself for this riding only doing these drills.

Seriously if he enjoys it great, don't push it on everyone so hard. As you said that has calmed down...so good for now.

I am no instructor and in fact still consider myself newbish, but I would say parking lot drills are to be used in conjunction with actual riding.

 

[orbframe]

sacrificing knobs on the pavement?!?

sounds painful!

 

[Marine_R6]

Did the research for you there is a MSF class in Bad Axe, MI. 17 miles from your current location. Here is the website.

http://nm.msf-usa.org/msf/ridercourses.aspx?state=MI

Here are the driving directions to Bad Axe.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=43.92415&lon=-83.00076&zoom=11&q1=port austin, MI&q2=Bad Axe, Mi

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

If beginner wants to do exercises in a parking lot and has fun, it's his business. There is a tendency on BARF to ridicule riders who don't do the same thing the majority do. In practical terms, a run up Mines Road also serves little purpose but to get you out of the house and wear out some rubber. It's recreation.

The only issue I've ever had with beginner is his tendency to induce that things that have proven useful in his low speed drills would be of great benefit to people who ride in other, higher speed settings. If he wants to ride in a parking lot for the sake of getting good at that, fine. If he's trying to assert that hours and hours of parking lot drills is necessary for people who ride on the street, he's off base.

For the time being, he seems to have backed off on the latter. I'd encourage people to consider whether they're capping on him because they want to make a joke about how he chooses to spend time or if he's spouting misinformation that matters.

He's been ramming it down our throats that if we want to be better, safer riders we must ascribe to his to his parking lot drills. He's said repeatedly that we need to do this to be expert level riders. What I quoted contradicted what he's been spouting for the last year.
Now if all he wanted to do was putter around in parking lots for the rest of his life, I could give a rat's ass. But as I've said before, there's whole new crops of Newbies that could potentially read the crap he's been putting out there, and get hurt.
If nothing else, the BARF beatdown he's getting for that makes it pretty clear that his advice is nothing that should EVER be followed by ANYONE.

He's said before that he doesn't want to ride on busy public roads and that it scares him. The problem is that he keeps trying to convert people to his type of riding and convince everyone that this is the best way to learn. I think after fifteen minutes doing his kind of riding i would sell my bike.

More power to Beginner for enjoying himself safely, but I'm not drinkin' the cool-aid.

Exactly! And the frustration for me is that he has actual experts- guys like Tim (Enchanter) who have tried repeatedly to help the guy, and he either twists their words around, or makes up the most bizarre stuff that seriously makes me wonder what the hell is in the groundwater out there in Michigan... or what the hell he's putting in the Kool-Aid...

Can we Have A Moment of silence for all the knobs that were sacrificed on the pavement, when all they wanted to do was get a good bite into some dirt? To live the life they were born for, before losing their leading corner edge?

To have this ripped away on the un-yielding, and unforgiving pavement...is a sin committed...and deserves punishment.

The Knobby Gods want blood...

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

Did the research for you there is a MSF class in Bad Axe, MI. 17 miles from your current location. Here is the website.

http://nm.msf-usa.org/msf/ridercourses.aspx?state=MI

Here are the driving directions to Bad Axe.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=43.92415&lon=-83.00076&zoom=11&q1=port austin, MI&q2=Bad Axe, Mi

He won't do it. Crazybob even offered to PAY for him to attend MSF... he turned him down. Something about the MSF instructors not being knowledgeable enough or some such shit...

 

[tzrider]

But as I've said before, there's whole new crops of Newbies that could potentially read the crap he's been putting out there, and get hurt.

People aren't going to get hurt riding figure 8's in a parking lot. They might not get a lot better at street riding, but they're not going to get hurt and they won't become worse riders.

A couple of years back, he was posting stuff that really was incorrect and if someone followed the advice, they might be in for trouble. I don't see that happening now.

 

[Marine_R6]

He won't do it. Crazybob even offered to PAY for him to attend MSF... he turned him down. Something about the MSF instructors not being knowledgeable enough or some such shit...

I guess if i went by his knowledge i shouln't have taken the class twice. Once when I first started riding and then again when I started riding again after a 4 year lay off. I mean what do the instructors know. They are only certified and do this a lot more than I do. I should stop what I am doing and start to train myself and saved myself hundreds of dollars. Wait that would be stupid.
Guess by his logic I did not need to go to boot camp I could have trained myself to be a Marine......

 

[Kornholio]

And it still won't have any real world application...

I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there.

Looks a lot like a 46 from the inside. Except you can stand upright.

And that is the important part!

 

[orbframe]

no bucket stop, no care...

 

[deathbug74]

And it still won't have any real world application...

except for those times where you're riding in traffic, or the nearest racetrack/mountain road, and you need to pull a really tight figure 8...

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[weak_link]

Wonder if American Supercamp goes to the OP's location, he would love some of the drills.

 

[Stormdragon]

I'd encourage people to consider whether they're capping on him because they want to make a joke about how he chooses to spend time or if he's spouting misinformation that matters.

He's said before that he doesn't want to ride on busy public roads and that it scares him. The problem is that he keeps trying to convert people to his type of riding and convince everyone that this is the best way to learn.

I'm with Wingnut. I'm not giving him shit about the drills. I'm just tired of him expounding on how it's somehow going to make me (and everyone else) a better street rider. He doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's unwilling to learn.

Can we Have A Moment of silence for all the knobs that were sacrificed on the pavement, when all they wanted to do was get a good bite into some dirt? To live the life they were born for, before losing their leading corner edge?

To have this ripped away on the un-yielding, and unforgiving pavement...is a sin committed...and deserves punishment.

Lou! So poetic! I didn't think you had it in you!

He's been ramming it down our throats that if we want to be better, safer riders we must ascribe to his to his parking lot drills. He's said repeatedly that we need to do this to be expert level riders. What I quoted contradicted what he's been spouting for the last year.
Now if all he wanted to do was putter around in parking lots for the rest of his life, I could give a rat's ass. But as I've said before, there's whole new crops of Newbies that could potentially read the crap he's been putting out there, and get hurt.
If nothing else, the BARF beatdown he's getting for that makes it pretty clear that his advice is nothing that should EVER be followed by ANYONE.

Beatdown? I think everyones been relatively polite to him. I've seen a lot more shit shoveled onto posters heads, for a lot less. It's why I tend to lay low around here.

 

[revnort]

Beatdown? I think everyones been relatively polite to him. I've seen a lot more shit shoveled onto posters heads, for a lot less. It's why I tend to lay low around here.

What an asshole you are!