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So, Dave Ramsey....on car buying....

I did all this in the late 90s. I spent more than a few years in CC because I didn't know what my dumb ass wanted to do. Once I figured it out I transferred to State. Even then I changed majors and started half way over with the major core when my major got impacted. Been there, done that. Sure I got to live at home and commute, but that was the case with most of the people I knew. Pretty sure I could have rented something with a few roommates if I had to. But I still had money to spare to be dirtbiking, autoxing my 944, and eat out all the time. Your reality is seriously jaded if sharing an apartment is so abhorrent of an idea, so I guess Dave's advice just isn't for you.

Lol. Spiloiler allert, I know all this stuff because I went through it.
I am just not simple minded or delusional to think nothing has changed in the last 20+ years, and that I didn't have advantages like being able to live at home, like you, and that it's not applicable to everyone else.

As I said more of simple thinking of "well if I could do it, everyone else can do it." Without looking at detail's. With a dash of lack of empathy and being able to look past your own experience.

Also there is a big difference between sharing an apartment, and living with 3-5 people in same room. I have also done former, latter is still insane.
 
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Same here. But, you seem to have a dash of Boomer in ya.:twofinger

IDK man, I've gotten fed up with the younger generation in my family/social circle, and I guess it rubs off Boomerish. They all want everything given to them on a silver platter, and yet my parents and their generation were all eastern european immigrants who came with nothing. That can do attitude is just gone, they are almost all Bernie/Socialist supporter types who want to play video games all day and get a universal basic income to do it. The ones who have it best went into trades and are living on there own.
 
I did all this in the late 90s. I spent more than a few years in CC because I didn't know what my dumb ass wanted to do. Once I figured it out I transferred to State. Even then I changed majors and started half way over with the major core when my major got impacted. Been there, done that. Sure I got to live at home and commute, but that was the case with most of the people I knew. Pretty sure I could have rented something with a few roommates if I had to. But I still had money to spare to be dirtbiking, autoxing my 944, and eat out all the time. Your reality is seriously jaded if sharing an apartment is so abhorrent of an idea, so I guess Dave's advice just isn't for you.
Perhaps you have privileges you do not even realize you have? Your story sounds like that of many people I know; one important common denominator is having family who is able and willing to support your endeavor.

Also, have you ever tried to live with three or four roommates because of economic necessity? I have, and it was a huge and continuous pain.

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As I said more of simple thinking of "well if I could do it, everyone else can do it." Without looking at detail's. With a dash of lack of empathy and being able to look past your own experience.

I'd like some empathy for all the taxes I pay, but I'm not going to get any. :twofinger

I'm not saying its easy. I am saying its do-able with planning.
 
I'd like some empathy for all the taxes I pay, but I'm not going to get any. :twofinger

I'm not saying its easy. I am saying its do-able with planning.
Do you drive on paved roads? No sympathy for you, you are getting more than your taxes worth. :twofinger

It is doable with planning...and the UBI (or its equivalent) you got from your family.

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Do you drive on paved roads? No sympathy for you, you are getting more than your taxes worth. :twofinger

It is doable with planning...and the UBI (or its equivalent) you got from your family.

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Not in California I'm not.:rolleyes

And please don't equate my family support with government UBI. My family struggled for decades without ever being on the welfare system. My kids will probably never even understand how we lived. I don't know the statistics but don't most people in their 20s/30s live at home now anyways?
 
Perhaps you have privileges you do not even realize you have? Your story sounds like that of many people I know; one important common denominator is having family who is able and willing to support your endeavor.

Also, have you ever tried to live with three or four roommates because of economic necessity? I have, and it was a huge and continuous pain.

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Growing up we never had less than 8-10 people living in my house. I never had my own bedroom until high school. I didn't even speak english until kindergarten. Eastern european culture is like that, but I know many others have the same values. We were lower middle class man. My mom shopped at goodwill and had to budget the weekly food costs.
I don't understand how this makes me soooo privileged. If anything I'm privileged by buying a house after the crash, but that was pure luck. Yes, I had to move to Sacramento and leave the Bay behind. But sure glad I did now. I can't even recognize it anymore from all the development.
 
Growing up we never had less than 8-10 people living in my house. I never had my own bedroom until high school. I didn't even speak english until kindergarten. Eastern european culture is like that, but I know many others have the same values. We were lower middle class man. My mom shopped at goodwill and had to budget the weekly food costs.
I don't understand how this makes me soooo privileged. If anything I'm privileged by buying a house after the crash, but that was pure luck. Yes, I had to move to Sacramento and leave the Bay behind. But sure glad I did now. I can't even recognize it anymore from all the development.
I have a lot of respect for families that do this. My Afghan neighbor has 4 generations living in the 4000 sqft house across the way. They own a family tow truck business and one of the "kids" owns an M4 but drives one of the family minivans to go to Sac State. Making sacrifices is what changes your family tree.

I think that's the point that some in this thread are missing. Dave's advice may not be financially sound for everyone, but learning to make sacrifices for a longer term goal is a solid philosophy for success.
 
IDK man, I've gotten fed up with the younger generation in my family/social circle, and I guess it rubs off Boomerish. They all want everything given to them on a silver platter, and yet my parents and their generation were all eastern european immigrants who came with nothing. That can do attitude is just gone, they are almost all Bernie/Socialist supporter types who want to play video games all day and get a universal basic income to do it. The ones who have it best went into trades and are living on there own.

Oh, I hear ya.

But, you seem to be making generalizations based on your own anecdotal experiences.

Honestly, I blame all this shit on Boomers (cost of living, lack of universal healthcare, corporate welfare, etc.) while Millennials yell at them for making everything seemingly so damn expensive because wages never kept up with inflation.

GenXers like us straddle the middle as we grew up in an analog world that transition to the digital world with ease while boomers struggle with it and Millennials know no difference.
 
IDK man, I've gotten fed up with the younger generation in my family/social circle, and I guess it rubs off Boomerish. They all want everything given to them on a silver platter, and yet my parents and their generation were all eastern european immigrants who came with nothing. That can do attitude is just gone, they are almost all Bernie/Socialist supporter types who want to play video games all day and get a universal basic income to do it. The ones who have it best went into trades and are living on there own.

So, in a family with a 'lower middle class' lifestyle, you had the time and the money for a dirtbiking hobby and racing a Porsche while going to college full time. However, you think that kids today want things given to them on a silver platter for asking to not have to work 60 hours a week to afford to go to a state college.

Do you not see how delusional that is?
 
Baller on a budget?!

I have a 'vette...

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I'd like some empathy for all the taxes I pay, but I'm not going to get any. :twofinger

I'm not saying its easy. I am saying its do-able with planning.

And for a LOT of people, it still isn't doable, with planning the way you're simplifying it.

You're setting up the scenario of having all your ducks in a row in just the right way. Not everyone has the opportunity and tools to do that. Backing it up with anecdotal experiences of a handful of people you know doesn't really help or prove anything other than you know people that bootstrapped just as much as you did. And I'm assuming some level of privilege you're not acknowledging while also sounding like you're pretty jaded from younger relatives or people you know who aren't willing to work as hard as you did, have more privilege they aren't taking advantage of. Your posts come off as if someone didn't do things the way you did, then they just didn't try hard enough. That's just not the case in many situations.

I graduated with student debt. But part of it was I made a conscious decision some of those years I wanted to just enjoy the college experience without having to punch the clock somewhere. I never bitched about my debt, I knew what I was doing and also cleared that debt about a year ago after making consistent payments of 500-700 dollars a month to the balance. Being able to contribute that much of my income to my debt on top of rent, groceries, and all other associated living expenses in California is not really possible for many.

It took me 8 years to get a 4 year degree for various reasons including major change. Part of it community college, part of it University, part working full time, part working part time, part not working at all. Part living with my parents, part living on campus. Part of it was grants and scholarships that cut down the tuition total by quite a bit. Part of it was parents paying for a percentage of tuition. And in this I acknowledge a ton of privilege of being able to just say, "nah, I'm not gonna work this semester and just focus on my classes and everything the university experience has to offer." Not everyone can do that or even have that thought in their head as an option. Even working full time, they HAVE to take on student debt still.

The newest and most expensive car I've ever owned was a 2006 Toyota Corolla (in 2008) that I sold after only 1 year. Most I've paid for a phone is about 40 bucks when the iphone 4s was a few models old and I ran that thing into the ground between 2014-2019 before it gave up the ghost. Current phone is free from work (privilege). Sure, I've bought 2 bikes brand new, both were under 10k. But the attack on people that have student debt, live with roommates, etc etc, because they buy a new 1000 dollar phone every year and need to drive a fancy car is lazy.
 
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I'd like some empathy for all the taxes I pay, but I'm not going to get any. :twofinger

I'm not saying its easy. I am saying its do-able with planning.

We all pay taxes in one form or the other, you are not special in that regard. :twofinger
 
I think there's some important details missing in the middle of these two things.

I was talking about childhood. By the time I was in HS our relatives were independent and my mother had been working for several years. I started officially working senior year in HS, but I had been doing livestock/farm work thru all of HS.
 
Oh, I hear ya.

But, you seem to be making generalizations based on your own anecdotal experiences.

Honestly, I blame all this shit on Boomers (cost of living, lack of universal healthcare, corporate welfare, etc.) while Millennials yell at them for making everything seemingly so damn expensive because wages never kept up with inflation.

GenXers like us straddle the middle as we grew up in an analog world that transition to the digital world with ease while boomers struggle with it and Millennials know no difference.

Honestly, this thread was about Dave, and his advice is generalized to begin with. I'm just trying to point out that he has solid advice that needs to be adapted to your individual situation. But in general, his advice is universally applicable in some way or another. You can ignore the evangelical aspect of it and be just fine. And you don't need to pay him anything.

How is blaming boomers for everything any different than me making my generalizations?
 
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