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So, Dave Ramsey....on car buying....

Holeshot said:
I'm betting you're the college end....

Tradespeople are killing it right now. College people seem to not be killing it...
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I think trades are absolutely awesome and more people should look into them as highly respectable and great paying gigs.

That said, your generalization in quote is a bit funny. There are plenty of "college people" who are killing it. I graduated college as an example and if my company's stock price continues at current levels I will be wayyy closer to 7 figures than 6 figures this year. I know many friends in similar boats. The market is insane for certain college-y type industries, tech included.
 
As a trade person, haven't had a raise in 4 years or so. I'd have to look up the exact date. I've humored myself by looking elsewhere. Haven't found anyone paying any more than I currently make.

/Anecdote
 
ScarySpikes said:
The problem with that hypothesis is that we actually have multiple examples of countries that have made college free, or even paid students a stipend to go, and people with a college degree still earn far higher wages. The thing is, even when college is free, not everyone will end up going to college, some people will not have the grades for it, others will want to pursue other things like apprenticeships or training in trades.

Also, right now the US needs more skilled/educated workers, while we have an overabundance of workers for lower skilled jobs. We need more people to go to college.
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I have no problem with a system such as you described. It may work in other countries but I don’t think it works here. This system works if you have controls in place to ensure the tax dollars being spent on education result in production of the types of professionals the country needs. But here, it will be screwed up by politics. It will be a vote getter to say, “I’m going to make an executive order to require more <insert party’s voter base archetype here> to be trained in <insert career field most desired and tweeted about here>.” Aptitude of the student/trainee will have nothing to do with the admission process, and the graduates will be increasingly more worthless.

Our country has been walking in the opposite direction for decades. We rejected the concept of “tracking” — steering little Johnny to his most likely station in life. Parents here hated the concept of being told by a teacher that little Johnny was most likely going to train to be a plumber. “That’s ________ist!” Said the parents. “My little Johnny can be whatever he wants to be.”

Capitalism can handle this function of incentivizing people to go to college to study/train in the career fields the country needs if the government stops meddling in it.
 
Trades people are killing it right now. What happens during an economic downturn and the construction bubble bursts? I don't have the evidence, but I purport that people working college-level (required, not my BA in psychology) jobs are more likely to keep their employment. I'm considering Local 6, trades are great. But that doesn't mean there aren't drawbacks.
 
quicksparks said:
I have no problem with a system such as you described. It may work in other countries but I don’t think it works here. This system works if you have controls in place to ensure the tax dollars being spent on education result in production of the types of professionals the country needs. But here, it will be screwed up by politics. It will be a vote getter to say, “I’m going to make an executive order to require more <insert party’s voter base archetype here> to be trained in <insert career field most desired and tweeted about here>.” Aptitude of the student/trainee will have nothing to do with the admission process, and the graduates will be increasingly more worthless.

Our country has been walking in the opposite direction for decades. We rejected the concept of “tracking” — steering little Johnny to his most likely station in life. Parents here hated the concept of being told by a teacher that little Johnny was most likely going to train to be a plumber. “That’s ________ist!” Said the parents. “My little Johnny can be whatever he wants to be.”

Capitalism can handle this function of incentivizing people to go to college to study/train in the career fields the country needs if the government stops meddling in it.
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If we had tracking, I would have been pushed away from what I ended up doing. My high school guidance councilors were morons that figured I couldn't handle college or honors classes based solely on my appearance.

In a perfect system, sure, but any system is run by people so it will be far from perfect.
 
quicksparks said:
I have no problem with a system such as you described. It may work in other countries but I don’t think it works here. This system works if you have controls in place to ensure the tax dollars being spent on education result in production of the types of professionals the country needs. But here, it will be screwed up by politics. It will be a vote getter to say, “I’m going to make an executive order to require more <insert party’s voter base archetype here> to be trained in <insert career field most desired and tweeted about here>.” Aptitude of the student/trainee will have nothing to do with the admission process, and the graduates will be increasingly more worthless.

Our country has been walking in the opposite direction for decades. We rejected the concept of “tracking” — steering little Johnny to his most likely station in life. Parents here hated the concept of being told by a teacher that little Johnny was most likely going to train to be a plumber. “That’s ________ist!” Said the parents. “My little Johnny can be whatever he wants to be.”

Capitalism can handle this function of incentivizing people to go to college to study/train in the career fields the country needs if the government stops meddling in it.
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The system I described, and the system that other countries use, does not have tracking, and does not force people into specific career paths. I have no idea where you pulled that idea from.
 
My uncle was a general contractor in Hawaii. A damn good one. He was 'killing it' some years and not so much other years. Markets shift.
 
Yakoo752 said:
Depends on what you do

Some trades are always needed regardless of market conditions.
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Of course. So making broad strokes either way on trade careers or careers stemming from collegiate level education is lazy. Especially based on anecdotal experience.
 
Yakoo752 said:
Depends on what you do

Some trades are always needed regardless of market conditions.
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This is why I want one of my kids to be a plumber. You have new/remodel construction opportunities as well as repair/unclog jobs as well. Whether the economy is up or down, the poo must flow!!!!
 
Bubba_s said:
This is why I want one of my kids to be a plumber. You have new/remodel construction opportunities as well as repair/unclog jobs as well. Whether the economy is up or down, the poo must flow!!!!
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Question, construction is booming but are the average grunts getting paid more or are the construction companies just pocketing wads of cash?
 
Abacinator said:
Question, construction is booming but are the average grunts getting paid more or are the construction companies just pocketing wads of cash?
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From what I heard (NPR radio segment a week or two ago) there's a labor shortage in the trades so yes, the grunts are getting paid more as companies have to bid on them to actually get the work done.
 
Abacinator said:
Question, construction is booming but are the average grunts getting paid more or are the construction companies just pocketing wads of cash?
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Free Market trades are all doing well as a result of the boom.

Union is just kind of on the same schedule they always are.
 
Yakoo752 said:
Depends on what you do

Some trades are always needed regardless of market conditions.
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This. If anything, our business goes up as the economy does and, even when it goes down, we still have to operate at full capacity to keep up with the demand.
 
Bubba_s said:
This is why I want one of my kids to be a plumber. You have new/remodel construction opportunities as well as repair/unclog jobs as well. Whether the economy is up or down, the poo must flow!!!!
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:laughing:laughing
Love this.
 
Kornholio said:
This. If anything, our business goes up as the economy does and, even when it goes down, we still have to operate at full capacity to keep up with the demand.
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Hmmm, so you are saying invest in Hookers and Blow?
 
mikev said:
Who gives a shit what someone drives or what kinda food they eat if they have student loans forgiven?

Those were your words. Not mine. I'll quote it for you in case you forgot:



So your belief is someone that gets student loan help should eat shit food, use a shit phone, and drive a shit car because... reasons?
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What’s your problem with my opinion?

Why can’t us trades people get a lump sum to invest?
 
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