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Someone explain Britney Spear's conservatorship deal!

As a child star or after they turn 18?
 
Abacinator said:
Yeah, every aspect of her life has been curated since she was like 16. Probably earlier.
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Pretty much plus just because a person has phenomenal talent in one aspect of life does not mean they are at least good at everything else. The NYT video article about the whole thing made it seem like the only reason she continued to sing/perform was because she enjoyed it. Not because it was a challenge or she saw it as a challenge. In all other aspects of her life she seems very average and content to be so. The 24/7 managing of her life for nearly 2 decades probably solidified that frame of reference for her: her whole focus is on preparing, rehearsing, and performing. The rest of her life is taken care of by someone else.

As much as the video article tried to make it seem like she was a decision maker all of the positive examples were associated with her stage performance. Other decisions like who she chose as associates and how she managed the responsibilities of motherhood she failed at miserably and to her own detriment.

In all respects she really is the girl next door blessed with a phenomenal talent for performance but without a truly deceptive or calculating bone in her body. And it seemed like she is happiest being that simple, small-town person without all the fame and attention.

Watching all of her ups and downs through the years is a major reason I don't like to participate in the sick obsession humans seem to have with worshipping famous people with constant attention. It's not necessary to appreciate their talents. While watching I had to wonder how Billie Eillish will fare in the years to come.

My :2cents
 
Holeshot said:
As a child star or after they turn 18?
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I see that as sort of inseparable. Growing up as a child star has to require an immense amount of support and guidance by the adults around you if you have any hope of being a well adjusted, mentally healthy adult. Expecting a child star to magically figure that out on their own when they turn 18 seems unreasonable to me. I'm read your last couple of posts as a bit of victim blaming Bero. Yeah Brittany had a melt down. In the context of her upbringing I don't really fault her for it. Correct me if im wrong. Do you fault Brittany for having a mental health breakdown? I laughed at the head shaving incident too. I regret it. In hindsight I was mocking a mentally ill person. Not a proud moment.

Like I said earlier. The life of a pop star isn't usually high on my list of things to care about. This case says a lot about us as a society though so I think it is worth the attention its getting.
 
While a few went on to stratospheric success, the list of child stars ground down to a bloody pulp only to be chucked away by Disney is as long as it is disheartening, going all the way back to the original Mouskateers.
 
Mike95060 said:
Do you fault Brittany for having a mental health breakdown? I laughed at the head shaving incident too. I regret it. In hindsight I was mocking a mentally ill person. Not a proud moment.

Like I said earlier. The life of a pop star isn't usually high on my list of things to care about. This case says a lot about us as a society though so I think it is worth the attention its getting.
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Oh, I'm totally in Brittany's court on this. My OP was the confusion of how this can be still taking place when she's actually standing in the court room asking how to get out of the conservatorship. I don't see much of her fiasco as reasonable. #freebrittany!
 
How does one get out of "adult" conservatorship?
You would think that there would need to be a 3rd party mental evaluation every few years at least? Are they assigned any advocates?

I had an ex that volunteered as an advocate for a foster kid. Her job was to ensure the health and safety needs of the kid was met by the foster family. She would meet with her and spend time away from the family to make sure the kid has a safe place to express any issues. Which would then be reported back to the system.

Any people here with knowledge of the issue here know of anything like that for adult conservatorship?
 
My wife and I were foster parents for about 14 months a couple of years ago and our foster kid had regular monthly visits from her county social worker where she would come to our house once a month and take our kid out to lunch for a couple of hours so she could have a safe place to talk. There was also a children’s advocate who visited us too every so often.
Good question - are adults in conservatorship monitored as closely?
 
knowing nothing about the laws that govern conservatorship, it's a bit hard to believe that a Court would allow one adult to take complete control over another adult, without a fairly compelling basis for making such an order. I would also be shocked if the system didn't go out of it's way to make sure a person like her received adequate legal counsel/representation throughout the whole process.

Britney is probably a nice and decent person who sadly lacks the mental tools required to take care of her rather complex life. For medical privacy reasons, there is probably a lot of hairy details the public doesn't know about. Also at any point Britney could've searched google for "how to end a conservatorship" and seen a thousand articles that say how to do it. Seems like her past attorney has told her that it is unlikely, for whatever reasons she wanted to provide, that she could get out of the conservatorship, and she interpreted that to mean "you can't get out of the conservatorship." Attorneys like billable hours so they are not going to advise otherwise unless it's pretty clear the motion will fail.
 
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Are you speaking from personal experience or from perception of our court system?

I can tell you from extensive experience that at least our Family Law court system is fucked up beyond belief and all kinds of nasty shit is gotten away with in it.
 
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Climber said:
Are you speaking from personal experience or from perception of our court system?

I can tell you from extensive experience that at least our Family Law court system is fucked up beyond belief and all kinds of nasty shit is gotten away with in it.
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LOL I literally had a caveat about child custody with you in mind, but I deleted it because it felt like it was getting a bit wordy :laughing

You and I share quite a bit of common experience there, although I haven't been as verbal or specific about it, as you.
 
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She's an-almost 40 year old woman and control over most aspects of her life have been controlled by a man she doesn't like for over a decade. Take away the money and the names of the people involved, and it would be hard to believe that this is happening in any place in the world.
 
DucatiHoney said:
She's an-almost 40 year old woman and control over most aspects of her life have been controlled by a man she doesn't like for over a decade. Take away the money and the names of the people involved, and it would be hard to believe that this is happening in any place in the world.
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Did she ever petition to remove him? She or someone else has to ask, courts generally bias towards stability/inaction. If the situation was unjust/horrendous, any of her family members could have petitioned, it sounds like...
 
DucatiHoney said:
She's an-almost 40 year old woman and control over most aspects of her life have been controlled by a man she doesn't like for over a decade. Take away the money and the names of the people involved, and it would be hard to believe that this is happening in any place in the world.
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What? Not in the Middle East, that is just expected in many countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, UAE, etc. The women are mostly property in countries like that.

Sad to see it here though.
 
mercurial said:
Did she ever petition to remove him? She or someone else has to ask, courts generally bias towards stability/inaction. If the situation was unjust/horrendous, any of her family members could have petitioned, it sounds like...
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Perhaps the question should be why has her conservator not seen that he's treating his adult child like a juvenile child and release her. She clearly wants out.

Eldritch said:
What? Not in the Middle East, that is just expected in many countries like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, UAE, etc. The women are mostly property in countries like that.

Sad to see it here though.
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I don't pretend to be completely dialed into the culture of other places, but I would say that male/female roles are often more "traditional" elsewhere (and here too) and for many reasons. This is a hard one to respond to, but I guess I should have qualified my statement by putting some context to it.
 
As an earlier poster said, there likely is a lot more to the story that hasn’t been made public. For example, why did Kevin Federline end up with sole physical custody of their two children after their 2007 divorce? The court ruled that K Fed is the better parent?!
 
mercurial said:
LOL I literally had a caveat about child custody with you in mind, but I deleted it because it felt like it was getting a bit wordy :laughing

You and I share quite a bit of common experience there, although I haven't been as verbal or specific about it, as you.
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I feel bad for any good father who has to go through what I went through, it should never happen but it does all the time.

IDK what's going on here with Brittany, but it doesn't at all sound kosher, something dirty has been going on in the courts for her to be kept under this kind of setup for 12 years.
 
greenmonster said:
As an earlier poster said, there likely is a lot more to the story that hasn’t been made public. For example, why did Kevin Federline end up with sole physical custody of their two children after their 2007 divorce? The court ruled that K Fed is the better parent?!
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So, the conservatorship happened in 2008, that was literally right when she was in her downward spiral. He no longer has sole custody and it is now 2/3 with Brit having 1/3 unsupervised custody.
 
1/3, 2/3 I stand corrected. Still find it hard to understand K Feds’ majority share. She had more and better lawyers and still ended up on the short end
 
greenmonster said:
1/3, 2/3 I stand corrected. Still find it hard to understand K Feds’ majority share. She had more and better lawyers and still ended up on the short end
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When that judgement was made, she was like, in a mental institution level of breakdown. That is when the divorce happened and the judgement was made. She was in the process of being locked in a literal looney bin. How is that not clear?
 
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