The debate about gear rages on

[louemc]

AngelsnDevils How did the grillin Go? arty

 

[angelsndevils]

AngelsnDevils How did the grillin Go? arty

Quite well. The guys had filets and the girls had ribeyes. Pink in the middle, dripping juice and we are about to hit up the fresh homemade brownies.

 

[louemc]

Quite well. The guys had filets and the girls had ribeyes. Pink in the middle, dripping juice and we are about to hit up the fresh homemade brownies.

That be the World Famous Humbolt County Brownies?

(no need to answer )

 

[Underdog]

Let Darwin do his work. I applaud the no-gear riders for enhancing the human gene pool.

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

What I don't want is some NOOB rider having the impression that if he goes out and buys the coolest looking set of leathers, he will now suddenly be more resistant to the actual crash itself.

What- like leathers are some sort of magical suit transported from the Land of Valinor in Middle Earth, blessed by a Wizard with a spell of protection, granting wisdom and experience to all that wear it? Damn, dood... they're n00bs, not schizophrenic... or online gamers completely lost to reality...

 

[moond0ggie]

Its so simple, people will gear up according to how much they value their own life,
but some folks don't have any hope for tomorrow, they're not gonna ATGATT......
sure, it effects our insurance rates...but they don't care!

 

[Marcoose]

Knowing you are prior military and spent time on patrol in the middle east. Would you ever go into a potentially hostile situation without wearing your gear due to being hot or uncomfortable? I think not.

One wonders why 8,000 veterans take their lives every year.

I really want to tell this to someone in a position of power at my work. Do you think it will go over well?

I dare you!

I want is for people to understand that ATGATT is not crash PREVENTION...

Wella, wella, wella, not quite so fast, buckaroo. There are the elements, and proper/good gear helps repealing some of the elements. Gear can help regulate rider's body temperature and sun exposure. Gear can help against small debris, bugs, etc. Get too hot, too cold, something flies in the rider's eyes, and the probability of going down is up. And who wants to share the road with a fellow road user with higher-than-needed probability of crashing?

Touche' good sir

Though I am a supporter of removing the helmet law, I would want in its place a law that requires proper eye protection for the exact reason you stated above. A blind rider is a hazard to everyone else. I personally however would not extend the same feelings towards jackets.

If you were my boss I'd say you're confusing me. In one note you say gear does nothing to prevent a crash. In another you agree it does. In one note you say you don't want laws. In another you say you'd want one law. Just FYI.

 

[Cincinnatus]

A minor point of clarification - of the 8,030 (estimated) suicides of veterans, the average age is around 60, so it's the Vietnam era vets that are the main factor.

 

[Breaking Daniel]

If you were my boss I'd say you're confusing me. In one note you say gear does nothing to prevent a crash. In another you agree it does. In one note you say you don't want laws. In another you say you'd want one law. Just FYI.

You're right. I'm not a closed minded person. Or at least I try not to be. Through this debate I have learned and now believe that some gear is crash prevention, like proper eye protection. A blind rider is likely to crash, and getting blinded by road debris is VERY likely if not wearing eye protection or a shield.

Don't forget that not everyone here is so stuck in their ways. I'm willing to admit my growth through discussion, some others here are not.

Thanks for the FYI and pointing that out.

 

[Breaking Daniel]

A minor point of clarification - of the 8,030 (estimated) suicides of veterans, the average age is around 60, so it's the Vietnam era vets that are the main factor.

True. The Desert Storm veterans could also be in the 60+ category.

42 is the maximum age of enlistment in to the Active Duty US Army, and Desert Storm was in 1990. A 42 year old in the Gulf War would be 65 today. Unless my math and knowledge of history suck

 

[Cincinnatus]

Your math skillz seem to be ok.

Knowledge of history, I've got no way to judge.

 

[Marcoose]

I'm willing to admit my growth through discussion, some others here are not.

Good for you!

Akin to the helmet DOT standard, find whatever DOT standard is good enough for eyes, hands, feet, torso and legs, and there you have it, an innocuous way to prolong every rider's riding career and enjoyment.

If a half helmet gets a DOT sticker, which is better than no helmet, pretty much any gear would be good enough for a DOT sticker, which is better than no gear.

 

[redtail]

Don't forget that not everyone here is so stuck in their ways. I'm willing to admit my growth through discussion, some others here are not.

You're a good man Daniel! Kudos

 

[Tydive]

believe that some gear is crash prevention, like proper eye protection. A blind rider is likely to crash, and getting blinded by road debris is VERY likely if not wearing eye protection or a shield.

Hi-Viability gear may assist with crash prevention. Headlight modulators too.
Lots of ways gear can make riding safer, the problem is thinking that one way or another actually makes riding safe.

IMHO the best crash prevention is a focused mind.

 

[Breaking Daniel]

Hi-Viability gear may assist with crash prevention. Headlight modulators too.
Lots of ways gear can make riding safer, the problem is thinking that one way or another actually makes riding safe.

IMHO the best crash prevention is a focused mind.

All true and wise. I work in executive protection, and it is a common saying that even though we may carry a firearm, OC spray, cuffs etc...our greatest weapon is our mind and ability to think our way out of situations before they get ugly.

 

[MrIncredible]

Basically, all I want is for people to understand that ATGATT is not crash PREVENTION, it is injury mitigation. My intention to have everyone understand that actually aids you in your intention (if your intention is indeed to address insurance costs, safety, etc...). If people are better educated as to what gear actually does, then they will apply it more appropriately. Understanding risks and benefits is key to making wise decisions, and may aid some in the decision to gear up. .

Approaching an entire board of people that you don't know from the standpoint that they are ignorant and require education isn't going to really get any positive response.

 

[planegray]

Approaching an entire board of people that you don't know from the standpoint that they are ignorant and require education isn't going to really get any positive response.

shooosh you, I've been eagerly awaiting the new, newer, newest messiah

 

[sashish]

I will just leave this here.

 

[Marcoose]

But Alex ... the silly debate isn't whether or not a crash can cause a major boo-boo.

The 1st debate is whether or not gear can prevent against a crash.

The 2nd debate is whether or not every motorcyclist and passenger are fully aware of the risks of motorcycling, and postulating, positing and affirming they are, then gear is a matter of choice and not a big brother, nanny state business.

The OP already conceded gear can prevent against a crash. Personally, I seriously doubt every motorcyclist and passenger know their heads can drag on hot surface and disintegrate hair, scalp, bone and brain.

If that helmet is yours, sorry about the crash, and thank God you must wear a helmet.

 

[Gixxergirl1000]

I'd like to know how that flat spot ended up there... lying in a prone position (as in, sliding down the cheese grater asphalt), that's not a spot that would typically come in contact for an extended period of time with the ground... you'd have to be doing some sort of weird sideways head stand to make that happen... holy crap...