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The Official 2012 NFL Thread
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bluenoser
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Did you even watch any of their divisional games, or are you rolling by the numbers only? The second SF/SEA game was a bloodbath. SF earned that win. Same deal with SEA/AZ- pushing a game that meant nothing into OT.
The two divisions are very much the same (to wit, Browns == Rams). The only difference is that the NFC West has built itself around the run (both in offense and prevent in D). Except somebody forgot to tell them that last year the AFC North, outside of BAL, had no running game (and you look at how the Ravens fared against the NFC West). AFC North teams built themselves around a very one-dimensional game (pass protection, target the same receiver over and over again), and the new NFL flag-football rules at corner made that style of play productive for them. But don't worry- the rest of the league will catch up to you in 2012.
But hey, good luck with that RB of yours...
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No, no they're not. In 2011 The NFC West was 6-10 against the AFC North. 3 of those 6 wins came from SF. The Bengals, Ravens and Balt all went 3-1 against the NFC West. The AFC North had three teams make the playoffs with winning records in 2011. The NFC West had only 1 team with a winning. Yeah they sure are alike.
bluenoser
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You must have glommed over the part where I discussed gameplay, and instead looked at the numbers alone.2010 Seahawks showed you it's easy to get into the playoffs by having the other teams all be below average. Plus the NFC West teams had a stronger SoS than AFC North, on average, for 2011.
But this is 2012. And right now, your team has exactly the same number of wins as my team. Or to put it in terms you're more likely to understand, right now odds are 2:1 your team will lose the Super Bowl vs my team losing in the Super Bowl.
SEA and AZ clearly started off slowly but both teams ended the season playing good, hard football. taking stats solely from 1 div vs. another when their games were played at opposite ends of the respective seasons ignores that context which would add validity to your assertion.
so you really want to bring up how badly BAL was embarrassed by AZ? BAL got the W but anyone with a brain saw them fully capable of losing that game if AZ had even halfway decent QB play. same story for the SEA / BAL game. PIT got SEA in week two - PIT was furious and embarrassed and SEA was confused and frustrated from the week 1 games. again, not a good indicator of the division's strength. that was the nadir rather than the mean.
i've liked Wiz in AZ since he got the job and if they pick up where they left off with growth from Kolb they might win the West in 12. easily an 11 win team with good QB play.
same for SEA. i'm not partial to Carol, but that defense he's putting together is nasty. decent QB play with some healthy WR's makes them a candidate for 10-11 wins.
SF, like the other two listed, is a team based on a powerful and aggressive D with power RB's and a hope-and-a-prayer at QB. all three teams could make the post season next year if they each continue to improve in their biggest weak spots.
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2010 Seahawks showed you it's easy to get into the playoffs by having the other teams all be below average. Plus the NFC West teams had a stronger SoS than AFC North, on average, for 2011.
But this is 2012. And right now, your team has exactly the same number of wins as my team. Or to put it in terms you're more likely to understand, right now odds are 2:1 your team will lose the Super Bowl vs my team losing in the Super Bowl.
The only thing that matters is who wins the game. The NFC West barely won any games all year, and by and large, with the exception of SF, the AFC North beat them like a freaking drum in their head to head games. If the quality of the play in the losses and the potential for success next year give you a chubby, then by all means hang your hats on that. Fact is the NFC West was the worst Division (again) in the NFC with a combined record of 30-34. Only the pathetic play of the AFC South kept the NFC West from being the worst Division in the NFL (again) But hey, at least your champion had a winning record this year. Truth be told, I really hope St Louis, Ariz and Seattle all take huge leaps forward in 2012. I'd love nothing more for them to crush the inflated hopes of the 9ers in 2012.
"The only thing that matters is who wins the game" is true only in the narrow context of your selective argument.
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"The only thing that matters is who wins the game" is true only in the narrow context of your selective argument.
I find conversations on how well a team plays in games they lose to be boring.
bluenoser
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and irrelevant to intelligent discourse, apparently.
i guess we can dumb it down for the lowest common denominator.
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and irrelevant to intelligent discourse, apparently.
i guess we can dumb it down for the lowest common denominator.
Dont get all butt hurt just cause I'm not willing to engage in conversation about bad teams and how they lose. If the Bengals lose more than they win in 2012, I wont be asking anyone to talk about how great they played in each loss.
Looking forward to a quiet elbacalao once the 2012 season is under way, then.
We shall see! On a more interesting topic. The Draft. Anyone think Luck is solid as the number 1 or can Robert Griffin get the pick?
Eldritch
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Dont get all butt hurt just cause I'm not willing to engage in conversation about bad teams and how they lose. If the Bengals lose more than they win in 2012, I wont be asking anyone to talk about how great they played in each loss.
On a more interesting topic. The Draft. Anyone think Luck is solid as the number 1 or can Robert Griffin get the pick?
In honor of Al Davis, Raiders Trade entire starting line-up and 3 years of draft picks to get the #1 Spot and take Dorian Graham.
postcholo
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my, my, looks like i have some competition for brian's affection from you and bluenoserbased on the back and forth harassment between you two i bet $ you are just waiting for prop 8 to be overturned.
once again relying on other teams to do what your own team can't
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my, my, looks like i have some competition for brian's affection from you and bluenoser
okay, unwilling to engage in conversation. also unwilling to note the "tee hee"
smiley face meant to indicate self-awareness regarding that this disagreement isn't a big deal, i'm just poking the badger. = tee hee = i'm not taking myself seriously, just being a dick to get a reaction = i'm not butt hurt. savvy? 
postcholo
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nah, you guys can have him. he's all loose and worn out now.
what are you babbling about, mike? do those guys run 4.2 40s?
Eldritch
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i guess we can dumb it down for the lowest common denominator.
too late...9er fans are already involved.