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The Official 2016/2017 NFL Thread

Which road Wildcard team is going to steal a surprise win this weekend?

I'm going with Miami. They got zero chance according to the experts, playing with a backup QB on the road in cold-ass Pittsburgh with the temperature around 19 degrees for Sunday's game. No one is picking them to win. No one. Which is the best time to steal an upset. :teeth

Mike Tomlin says the weather is not an advantage:

The Pittsburgh Steelers should have an advantage when it comes to the weather conditions Sunday. The high is expected to be only 23 degrees with wind child dipping into the teens or single digits. The Dolphins played the majority of their games in much warmer weather, including eight games in sunny Miami.

If the Steelers are expecting the weather to be a factor in the game, they're not voicing it.

I would imagine we have just as many Florida boys on this team as the Dolphins. I would imagine we have more guys from Florida on our team than the Dolphins. It's a global game at this level. I am not ready to subscribe to that and probably never will.
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CocoLoco said:
I get that his demeanor was a considerable factor in his firing. The point I'm making is that if I, a 99%-er, somehow found myself risen to the position of NFL owner my perspective regarding Harb's behavior would have been more lenient or at minimum functionally/results directed. I doubt Jeddy-bear had ever encountered an employee who treated him so harshly. I doubt he was even able to process it in a positive way at the time, hence the firing.

Harbs is an old school coach. I don't agree with much of his approach. His encouraging players to work through injuries can't be faulted. It's their job. It's his job to get them to play. Bringing up concussions is a bit meaningless because football is an impact sport. Concussions are inevitable. AFAIC the NFL's attempt to frame the case that football can be played safely is preposterous.

His contract extension was offered in one hand while the FO was working to push him out the door with the other. Again, much of this was his own fault.

I can guarantee that he would still be an excellent NFL coach as he's already proven to be so. He would require an FO that he respects going into it though. Either that or the owner would need to be someone completely disengaged from the day-to-day operations of the franchise in which case he would probably show respect for the simple understanding exhibited by the owner that they don't really understand the full extent of vertical variables involved in an NFL franchise.
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I heard Steve Young last night on the Sports Leader talking about tension and NFL football. It was kind of funny, he thinks that quite often, there is tension and not warm and fuzzy feelings in successful operations and it was in the context of Harbaugh vs Kelly.

I just don't perceive that Niner troubles are going away as long as York is in control of things. I even heard a criticism this morning that they are going around interviewing coaches and GM prospects at the same time, rather than finding a philosophy and a GM to fit that, then finding a HC that fits. In other words, they might bring together two more guys who don't get along.

OTOH, perhaps one will lead to the other and they can hire a duo based on respective recommendations.

If you look at sports franchises in general, there are celebrated bad owners out there in various sports that continue to suck, year after year, because they are just funky, ineffective people but they have money. I will continue to view York as the Poison Dwarf that he seems to be. I'd love to be proven wrong.

PS. I think the Raiders will beat the Texans. I can't say why, it just seems like it. But I wouldn't count on Crabtree and his vaunted experience to be the difference-maker. My memories of him in playoff games is dropping footballs.
 
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Zerox said:
Which road Wildcard team is going to steal a surprise win this weekend?

I'm going with Miami. They got zero chance according to the experts, playing with a backup QB on the road in cold-ass Pittsburgh with the temperature around 19 degrees for Sunday's game. No one is picking them to win. No one. Which is the best time to steal an upset. :teeth

Mike Tomlin says the weather is not an advantage:
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I think both NFC games could have the road team winning. Even the Raiders have a chance to win.

If Ben goes color blind and Ajai gets some blocks even Miami could win.

In order of who I think will win:

Steelers
Green Bay
Detroit
Oakland
Seattle
Houston
New York
Miami
 
Bay Arean said:
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I just don't perceive that Niner troubles are going away as long as York is in control of things. I even heard a criticism this morning that they are going around interviewing coaches and GM prospects at the same time, rather than finding a philosophy and a GM to fit that, then finding a HC that fits. In other words, they might bring together two more guys who don't get along.

OTOH, perhaps one will lead to the other and they can hire a duo based on respective recommendations.

If you look at sports franchises in general, there are celebrated bad owners out there in various sports that continue to suck, year after year, because they are just funky, ineffective people but they have money. I will continue to view York as the Poison Dwarf that he seems to be. I'd love to be proven wrong.

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interviewing at the same time.... clear indicator that York has no intentions of stepping away from football operations. he believes he is qualified, even if only by virtue of being the check writer.

it would surprise me if the next GM has the ability to fire/hire head coaches

It's disappointing af. when Daddy gave Jed the reins I loved the idea of him running around the knees of Walsh / Lott / etc at the 'stick and growing up to become the next Eddie D type leader of the team.

there was too much history and success and hope in that narrative for any Niner fan to not want it to be true

yet here we are 7-8 years later? based on what we've observed along the way I have zero hope that will ever come to fruition

that said, I get the defenses of Jed. I get that some of the haterade is just piling on. But on a base level, with what we can observe and know for fact, my slimeball-arrogant-tonedeaf-10%er radar says it's all based in personal failings at Jed's level

this guy took a couple hundred million $ business and turned it into a $2 bn business. along the way they stopped being good at football, attracting football talent, drafting football talent

oh well. I too will hope for the best but as a reasonable and rational observer there is no information to make me think that's possible anymore
 
stigeon said:
this guy took a couple hundred million $ business and turned it into a $2 bn business. along the way they stopped being good at football, attracting football talent, drafting football talent

oh well. I too will hope for the best but as a reasonable and rational observer there is no information to make me think that's possible anymore
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Can't argue with the business side at all, total victory. They're like the best role model for how to make money, and the worst role model for winning football games. Makes any fan wanna vomit.

Over the past two seasons, the 49ers have scored 547 points -- just seven points more than the Atlanta Falcons scored this season alone. San Francisco's fall from the penthouse to the outhouse was stunningly quick, fueled mainly by organizational instability and poor drafting.
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They scored more points this season than they did in Harbaugh's last season so...
 
mikev said:
They scored more points this season than they did in Harbaugh's last season so...
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Not much value in that comparison...just sayin' ;)
 

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Beyond simple 3rd down completions, I wish there was a statistic for whenever the former pro player or coach announcer says:" in the NFL ya gotta make that play." Because gawdknows I heard that one so very many times watching Krapernick.
 
CocoLoco said:
Not much value in that comparison...just sayin' ;)
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IDk what point you're trying to make. I was responding to the comment about the offense, not the defense.

Everybody knows the defense sucked this year. That's what happens when you have a shit DC, bad position coaches, and a lot of young players. Couple that with a ton of injuries and, well, you get what happened this year.
 
mikev said:
IDk what point you're trying to make. I was responding to the comment about the offense, not the defense.

Everybody knows the defense sucked this year. That's what happens when you have a shit DC, bad position coaches, and a lot of young players. Couple that with a ton of injuries and, well, you get what happened this year.
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Point being a field goal's worth of difference isn't much difference at all. Sure, there's a difference. That difference falls well within the realm of accidental rather than pointing to anything significant with regards to coaching ability or production. :dunno
 
Right. I'd actually say it's much more telling that they scored 100 less points in Harb's last year than they did in 2013, but that doesn't fit the narrative now does it :laughing
 
my original point was a reply to someone else lol. I didn't bring it up.
 
mikev said:
The decline started before he left. People ignore that. He dropped all the way to 8-8 his last season because he was already having problems.


I heard rumors of Coughlin to Jags. That wouldn't be a bad spot for him, if he even wants to go back.

I'm hoping SF goes with Wolf or Riddick (the ESPN dude) and then McDaniels -- or potentially BOB if he leaves Houston like its been rumored.

I just heard they're interviewing Tom Cable though, which would be underwhelming as fuck.
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People Don't forget, people realize that the talk of Harbs getting friction from Management started the preseason before]/i] he went out. It seemed clear to me that distractions from fighting with management deflated his ability to lead the team. The veterans didn't all quit after Harbaugh left because Harbaugh was the problem.

Cable wouldn't be hella funny. Isn't he the Head Coach that got in trouble for punchin' his staff in the eye?
 
Been a while!
 

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He may not. We have heard nothing about this for years. Cable is a respected coach, Hanson is nowhere. That says something about the veracity of the original account of the incident as reported by the press.:wow

Based on a conversation I had with some one in a position to know, the entire "event" was way overblown as to seriousness.
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Even Hanson said he had been drinking.
 
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