The Official 2016/2017 NFL Thread

[stigeon]

saw an infographic that showed Peyton, Big Ben, or Major Tom have repped the AFC in something stupid like the last 20 superbowls - with the only exception being the rigged game that Flacco started a few years back.

great parity there, NFL.

at a certain point you're just rooting against the excessively dominant bully's that are ruining the illusion that other teams have a chance.

or, in my case, you're rooting against the two franchises (PIT and NE) that have eclipsed SF and their championship history.

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

I don't understand. It's football. The whole point of the game is to physically dominate the other team. I understand the need to compartmentalize this within the rules and I'm okay with even the targeting rules set up in college ball. But hitting someone with your helmet is but one method of imposing your physical will on them. One among many. If you're going to rule it out completely then you might as well end the game completely.

No, the whole point of the game is to score more points than the other team. [shit talk] I know it's easy to forget what the point is while rooting for a 2-14 team [/shit talk]

I like physical play. I also like tremendously athletic defensive play. When the defense relies solely on attempting to physically dominate, I think all of us fans get a bit ripped off on the potential of a beautiful defensive play.

I don't have a problem with someone using the helmet to try and knock the ball out of someone's hands. I don't think anyone wants to take out all use of the helmet...it just gets ugly to me when its the helmet onto another players helmet. sounds like we agree.

I think it's widely accepted that dudes are hobbling away from the game with a variety of physical debilities. when they hobble away and can't even function mentally after a while...that starts to bother me a bit.

 

[Bowling4Bikes]

in other news, McDaniels poo-poos the 9ers HC job

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...r-josh-mcdaniels-staying-new-england-patriots

 

[elbacalao]

saw an infographic that showed Peyton, Big Ben, or Major Tom have repped the AFC in something stupid like the last 20 superbowls - with the only exception being the rigged game that Flacco started a few years back.

great parity there, NFL.

at a certain point you're just rooting against the excessively dominant bully's that are ruining the illusion that other teams have a chance.

or, in my case, you're rooting against the two franchises (PIT and NE) that have eclipsed SF and their championship history.

Yes, I saw that too. Amazing. The last five AFC QB's to start in a SuperBowl since I think 2001 are Rich Gannon, Peyton, Brady, Rapelisberger, Joe Flacco.

I think it says more about the amazing success of the Pitt and NE franchises more than it condemns parity in the NFL. It's just too bad that both the AFC teams can't lose in the championship game.

 

[1sicv8]

saw an infographic that showed Peyton, Big Ben, or Major Tom have repped the AFC in something stupid like the last 20 superbowls - with the only exception being the rigged game that Flacco started a few years back.

great parity there, NFL.

at a certain point you're just rooting against the excessively dominant bully's that are ruining the illusion that other teams have a chance.

or, in my case, you're rooting against the two franchises (PIT and NE) that have eclipsed SF and their championship history.

Yes, I saw that too. Amazing. The last five AFC QB's to start in a SuperBowl since I think 2001 are Rich Gannon, Peyton, Brady, Rapelisberger, Joe Flacco.

I think it says more about the amazing success of the Pitt and NE franchises more than it condemns parity in the NFL. It's just too bad that both the AFC teams can't lose in the championship game.

I dont have a problem with it... I dont think the NFL should be making sure everyones equal...

 

[CocoLoco]

No, the whole point of the game is to score more points than the other team. [shit talk] I know it's easy to forget what the point is while rooting for a 2-14 team [/shit talk]

I like physical play. I also like tremendously athletic defensive play. When the defense relies solely on attempting to physically dominate, I think all of us fans get a bit ripped off on the potential of a beautiful defensive play.

I don't have a problem with someone using the helmet to try and knock the ball out of someone's hands. I don't think anyone wants to take out all use of the helmet...it just gets ugly to me when its the helmet onto another players helmet. sounds like we agree.

I think it's widely accepted that dudes are hobbling away from the game with a variety of physical debilities. when they hobble away and can't even function mentally after a while...that starts to bother me a bit.

It is about scoring points, yes. It's also about how you score those points: physically dominating your opponent. You win basketball and baseball games by scoring more points as well, but you're not required to physically dominate your opponent in concert with 10 other guys to do so.

People are going to hobble away from the game. It's the nature of the game. It's a brutal sport. More brutal than any other. There's no tapping out when you're getting your ass handed to you. Just call another play and get up to the line. In order to minimize the dangers involved the game would have to be turned into something it really isn't.

While I understand the idea of wanting to put some limits on what is/isn't acceptable in terms of knocking another player out of the game I used to love doing it provided it was a good clean hit. Making an opposing player not want to come back for more was a personal victory withing the context of the overall victory of winning the game.

 

[Johndicezx9]

in other news, McDaniels poo-poos the 9ers HC job

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...r-josh-mcdaniels-staying-new-england-patriots

Still on track for my Shanahans prediction.

 

[mikev]

in other news, McDaniels poo-poos the 9ers HC job

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...r-josh-mcdaniels-staying-new-england-patriots

Rumor is he knows it's Shanahan so he withdrew.

 

[elbacalao]

I dont think the NFL should be making sure everyones equal...

I agree, and I dont think they really are. In my mind, what they have done really well is level the field enough that the organizations that run themselves well will have success, and the teams like the 9ers that dont, wont. 

In some manner, I would have to say that Pitt is the best run organization in the NFL. Their continued success is due in large part to having a HOF QB, stability with head coach and a great front office. NE's success is due largely from playing in a shit division, having a HOF QB, and arguably the greatest head coach ever.

 

[Zerox]

In some manner, I would have to say that Pitt is the best run organization in the NFL. Their continued success is due in large part to having a HOF QB, stability with head coach and a great front office. NE's success is due largely from playing in a shit division, having a HOF QB, and arguably the greatest head coach ever.

You just explained why the Patriots are the best-run organization in the NFL. They are the gold standard. Never over-pay for free agents, draft decently, hoodwink dumb teams with trades, develop their own players, take cast-off players from other teams and make them very productive in their system.

Perfect harmony from the owner down to the coach. Smart owner, smart coach. Brady kinda helps them win too...

I agree the Steelers do it the right way too. Just not in the "six straight AFC title games" kind of way.

 

[Zerox]

Speaking of best coach...

 

[doc4216]

You just explained why the Patriots are the best-run organization in the NFL. They are the gold standard. Never over-pay for free agents, draft decently, hoodwink dumb teams with trades, develop their own players, take cast-off players from other teams and make them very productive in their system.

Perfect harmony from the owner down to the coach. Smart owner, smart coach. Brady kinda helps them win too...

I agree the Steelers do it the right way too. Just not in the "six straight AFC title games" kind of way.

Maybe not six straight AFC games but "most playoff wins and Super Bowl" kind of a way. . AFC north is one of, it not the hardest conferences in the league.

In all fairness, when you have owners like the Rooney's and have only had 3 coaches since 1969, you mostly likely will have success. Players want to play for you, a huge fan base around the world, and an entire city behind you, this breeds high expectations and success.

You can't expect to compete against well established teams when you change coaches almost every year and constantly question your quarterbacks. NE, Pit, and GB....stable QB, stable HC, and dedicated players.

 

[El Feo]

Rumor is he knows it's Shanahan so he withdrew.

I always thought Emcee Daniels was waiting to take the evil emperor's spot.

Of course, Matt Pat is good, too.

 

[elbacalao]

You just explained why the Patriots are the best-run organization in the NFL. They are the gold standard. Never over-pay for free agents, draft decently, hoodwink dumb teams with trades, develop their own players, take cast-off players from other teams and make them very productive in their system.

Perfect harmony from the owner down to the coach. Smart owner, smart coach. Brady kinda helps them win too...

I agree the Steelers do it the right way too. Just not in the "six straight AFC title games" kind of way.

No way the Patriots make the AFC cahmpionship six years in a row if they played in the AFC North. Just wouldnt happen. That's why I give the Steelers the nod. They play in the best Division in the NFL over the past decade, , the Patriots have played in one of the worst.

 

[El Feo]

No way the Patriots make the AFC cahmpionship six years in a row if they played in the AFC North. Just wouldnt happen. That's why I give the Steelers the nod. They play in the best Division in the NFL over the past decade, , the Patriots have played in one of the worst.

Um, I think Earl Thomas would beg to differ. NFC West is clearly the more competitive division.

 

[Zerox]

No way the Patriots make the AFC cahmpionship six years in a row if they played in the AFC North.

Playing the Browns twice a year? You think that's tough?

 

[Eldritch]

saw an infographic that showed Peyton, Big Ben, or Major Tom have repped the AFC in something stupid like the last 20 superbowls - with the only exception being the rigged game that Flacco started a few years back.

great parity there, NFL.

at a certain point you're just rooting against the excessively dominant bully's that are ruining the illusion that other teams have a chance.

or, in my case, you're rooting against the two franchises (PIT and NE) that have eclipsed SF and their championship history.

Green Bay Packers 13 1929, 1930, 1931, 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996, 2010

Chicago Staleys/Chicago Bears 9 1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943, 1946, 1963, 1985

New York Giants 8 1927, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1986, 1990, 2007, 2011

Pittsburgh Steelers 6 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 2005, 2008

Washington Redskins 5 1937, 1942, 1982, 1987, 1991

San Francisco 49ers 5 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994

Dallas Cowboys 5 1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995

Anyway...

You can also remember that Peyton showed for the AFC with two different teams. I think they recurring group of of teams going for the Championship has to show the essential aspect of a true franchise QB. Doesn't that seem to be the recurring link here? Peyton, the Mannings, Raperberger, Rodgers, Wilson, doesn't it always seem like it is coming down to the same handful of guys?

Sometimes you get a franchise guy like Rivers, Brees, Ryan, or Flacco, and he can just never really get a team built around him, but in the case of the latter couple, when they got a team, they won it hard. It is why you get teams like The Eagles or Cardinals that seem to keep showing up with fire and win a lot of regular season games, but can't seem to take it all.

 

[Zerox]

Green Bay Packers 13 1929, 1930, 1931, 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996, 2010

Chicago Staleys/Chicago Bears 9 1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943, 1946, 1963, 1985

New York Giants 8 1927, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1986, 1990, 2007, 2011

Pittsburgh Steelers 6 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 2005, 2008

Washington Redskins 5 1937, 1942, 1982, 1987, 1991

San Francisco 49ers 5 1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994

Dallas Cowboys 5 1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995

Don't forget the Detroit Lions won the NFL Championship in 1935. Barry Sanders had 21 carries for 147 yards in that game.

 

[Zerox]

And did ya'll see the first AFL Championship in 1960?

Houston Oilers beat the Los Angeles Chargers

 

[elbacalao]

Playing the Browns twice a year? You think that's tough?

Dude, everytime someone mentions the AFC North you jump and down and scream Cleveland. The AFC North has put more teams in the playoffs the past 10 years than any other Division. The AFC East is NE and then a bunch of Clevelands.

Fact: In the past decade the AFC North has won more games than any other Division, been to the playoffs more than any other Division, and has more SuperBowl winners than any other Division. To argue that the AFC North hasnt been the best Division in the NFL over the past decade is pure stupidity.