The Official 2016/2017 NFL Thread

[mikev]

Wentz signed with Philly a contract that does NOT include 100% of his guaranteed bonus money this year, AND it DOES include off set language. Wentz was willing to let 6% of his bonus guarantee come in January of 17. Bosa turned down an offer that gives him everything but 15% of the bonus in 16.

Philly offered 100% of his bonus and then Wentz specifically asked for the $1M deferral for tax purposes.

Again, different situation. He was offered 100%. Goff was offered no offset.

Bosa is asking for one of the two. That's in line with all the other top picks, with all the other #3 overall picks since 2012, etc etc.

It really is that simple, but if you want a more detailed breakdown read this.

 

[Zerox]

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[CocoLoco]

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[Zerox]

Bosa is asking for one of the two. That's in line with all the other top picks, with all the other #3 overall picks since 2012, etc etc.

It really is that simple, but if you want a more detailed breakdown read this.

IIRC, the CBA does not control either offset language or signing bonus payment timeline being "in line with all the other top picks." You are strangely fixated on a rule that doesn't exist. But that's ok, I'm patient.

Loved that one Chargers comment on the Bosa story:

All of this because Tunsil posted a video of him hitting a bong.

 

[mikev]

Yes, I know it doesn't. That's why I said the CBA specifies the contract length and value. The negotiable stuff is deferrals and offset language, plus other shit like workout bonuses and whatever.

Clearly, though, you didn't read what I linked you. Bosa agreed to defer bonus money, and then SD came back and said no that's not enough. They have still not made a fair offer.

 

[Zerox]

Yes, I know it doesn't. That's why I said the CBA specifies the contract length and value. The negotiable stuff is deferrals and offset language, plus other shit like workout bonuses and whatever.

Clearly, though, you didn't read what I linked you. Bosa agreed to defer bonus money, and then SD came back and said no that's not enough. They have still not made a fair offer.

I read that story before you even linked it, and it's inaccurate. Probably ghost-written by Bosa's agent.

This comment nailed it:

This article is misleading and agent biased . Bosa has not offered to defer a ‘significant’ portion of his signing bonus to 2017. Unless you consider 15% significant.

It is much less than the #4 pick Ezekiel Eliot at #4 who is deferring 40% of the signing bonus. The Charger moved significantly on this issue as they were at a similar 40% deferral.

A big deferral too lol. You get the remainder 2.5 months later in March 2017 vs Dec 2016.

Bosa is getting 85% of his signing bonus in 2016.

The offset issue is misleading as if the player is any good it becomes a non issue

The rest of the picks #5-10 have significantly less signing bonus and are erroneous in comparison which is also misleading.

 

[Zerox]

Comments on the Bosa stories so entertaining.

A real baller dedicated to playing would ask for all his bonus up front and take the offset language. The only reason he's fighting the offset language is he's a bum and know he may get cut in year 3 and have to find a new team. He's afraid to bet on himself. That great Ohio State Defense made him look good but in the pros he will be a chump. Think Boz.

 

[CocoLoco]

The problem with that comment is that the persons lack of knowledge regarding "the Boz" and his stats ends up making the whole thing seem biased and self-serving. Bosworth's stats weren't great but they weren't terrible either. In fact they were above average. It's just that everyone remembers him getting trucked by Bo. And even that wasn't so bad considering Bo trucked everyone and Boz did hold on and make the tackle. Just ended it letting him in for the TD.

 

[Zerox]

The problem with that comment is that the persons lack of knowledge regarding "the Boz" and his stats ends up making the whole thing seem biased and self-serving. Bosworth's stats weren't great but they weren't terrible either.

Right, and you can't call someone a bust for getting injured in a violent sport. Boz played pretty well at times.

I think Bosa at #3 was a reach by the Chargers, and he will get handled by NFL offensive lines. Not germaine to the contract squabble tho.

Best story yet, looking the contract squabble from both sides:

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/26/nfl-joey-bosa-san-diego-chargers-showdown-a-toast-to-stubborness

Privately, the Chargers argue that the Rams and Jaguars—clubs that have been habitually near the top of the draft order of late—are the only teams left sacrificing offset language; that half the NFL’s teams insist on offsets and deferrals; and that teams average 30% deferral past the current calendar year on this kind of bonus money, while they’re asking Bosa to defer only 15%.

 

[mikev]

of course they have less signing bonus. they were picked later.

Jesus christ you love to cherry pick shit

Shit, even the rest of the NFL is laughing at the Chargers for being stupid.

Because of the utter cheapness of the Chargers and their penny-pinching, irrational, self-defeating ways, Bosa has lost one season of his career.

"This is very Chargers," said one general manager.

 

[mikev]

LOL the si link even shows that Elliot is the outlier here, not Bosa.

This bleep-storm blossomed after Ezekiel Elliott, Bosa’s former Ohio State teammate, was selected fourth overall by the Cowboys. One spot behind Bosa, Dallas got Elliott on a deal that included offset language and deferred 39% of the bonus payment to 2017. By comparison, the last three fourth-overall picks (Lane Johnson, Sammy Watkins and Amari Cooper) all got their money by October of their draft years.
The current CBA leaves almost no room for actual give-and-take negotiating, and these are simply the remaining battlegrounds. Teams want to establish standard operating procedures on contracts that extend to veteran deals. Conversely, too many players get bullied in these circumstances, with clubs shaming them into terms they don’t want by making it seem they’re letting teammates down by taking a stand. (I’ve heard people questioning Bosa’s love of football, which is about as dumb as it gets.)

 

[Zerox]

of course they have less signing bonus. they were picked later.

Jesus christ you love to cherry pick shit

You the cherry picker. You and your 'every 3rd pick' silliness. ONE DRAFT POSITION DOES NOT MAKE A POLICY.

Dude, this isn’t about money, the money’s slotted. Once he signs Bosa gets ~$24M whether he plays every down or one down of his rookie deal.

Due to some weird small sample size fluke the teams that DO offer No offset language happen to have picked #3 every year of the CBA. One draft position does not make a policy. So, 16/25 top 5 picks didn’t get offset language. 9 of those 16 were signing with the Rams or Jags who don’t include it as a matter of routine. So of the remaining 16 top 5 picks drafted by teams that want offset language included, only 7 managed to get it removed. Less than 44% won that fight. You want to burn down the house on the off-chance you’ll suck enough to get cut but not enough to be unemployable?

Onto deferral, as others have said, it’s fine to want 100% now. It’s fine even to hold out to try and get it. The point of diminishing returns has passed so STFU and play. If CAA had actually negotiated in May instead of posturing and had actually got him 14.5M now instead of 10M or whatever they would have done a decent job and we’d all be happy. Apart from the fact that they’d be charging Bosa $240,000 to give him the opportunity to earn 6 months interest on $5m – So he’s have to pull in roughly 9% PA on his investments to make even that advice worth paying for. Instead they’ve fucked up the negotiations so he’s going to pay them for the bang-up job they’ve done of costing him a couple of million dollars…

 

[stigeon]

Doesn't matter, you still have to pay taxes for the state you earned the money in, which would be California.

again, that has nothing to do with the situation, which is SD offering Bosa less than what the standard contract is for where they drafted him. They are trying to strongarm him and he's perfectly in the right to tell them to fuck off.

wait... wouldn't that mean his entire bonus is "earned" in California so the issue of taxes is moot?

The CBA set the contract length and value. There are only 2 things to negotiate. Offset language and bonus payment deferral. The Chargers are offering neither.

I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend that

the chargers are negotiating those two points. no one says they have to offer concessions on either one, or both....

of course they have less signing bonus. they were picked later.

Jesus christ you love to cherry pick shit

Shit, even the rest of the NFL is laughing at the Chargers for being stupid.

Because of the utter cheapness of the Chargers and their penny-pinching, irrational, self-defeating ways, Bosa has lost one season of his career.

"This is very Chargers," said one general manager.

speaking of cherry picking information - this is bleacher report, first of all, and second there are players who have publicly commented that Bosa should get over it. two sides represented

and the only person "ruining" Bosa's rookie season is Bosa. he's entitled to a pay range and contract length based on his draft position. squabbling over when he gets paid by a matter of months is on Bosa.

Also, you realize this is the team that got burned so bad by Ryan Leaf it's still a running joke? i don't blame the Chargers for being hard asses about contract issues.

 

[mikev]

It's also the team that fucked over one of their best players last year because he wanted to watch his daughter's performance during a halftime show and has a history of treating players like shit.

 

[Zerox]

and the only person "ruining" Bosa's rookie season is Bosa. he's entitled to a pay range and contract length based on his draft position. squabbling over when he gets paid by a matter of months is on Bosa.

It makes no sense for him to hold out any longer. The Chargers flew a plane from San Diego to his hometown in Florida to sign him and pick him up, he didn't sign. All that aviation fuel, wasted.

All his money is guaranteed, there is no lowball or negotiation about the amount...the money is guaranteed by the CBA. Yet he's willing to risk his entire rookie year because he won't get the final 15% of his $17 Million signing bonus until March 2017?

Best idiom I can think of is "making a mountain out of a molehill." But there's gotta be a better idiom than that for this situation.

This is the strangest rookie contract situation of the current CBA. Chargers are like "here's your damn money" and Bosa is like "no."

 

[stigeon]

It's also the team that fucked over one of their best players last year because he wanted to watch his daughter's performance during a halftime show and has a history of treating players like shit.

very true. that was fucking dumb of the FO

i'm not trying to make one issue define the whole organization. the Chargers front office certainly has their issues

I am just leaning one way in regards to Bosa, which is only one data point to consider

 

[Zerox]

Gabby and Kaep both had a whopping 14 yards passing tonight vs the Packers, how is this supposed to help the coach choose a starting QB?

 

[mikev]

I mean Gabbert threw 3 passes, so...

Kaep's first game in like 8 months and he looked BAD. Beyond rusty, he just looked like he's seriously regressed. I wouldn't be surprised to see him 3rd string behind Driskel, honestly. Talk about fall from grace.

Gabbert is clearly the starter. They marched down and scored in the 1st drive, Gab got denied a TD pass cause it was a lateral throw lol

 

[Johndicezx9]

It's Gabbert, and I was going back and forth between this and the Cal game.

 

[Eldritch]

Gabbert even beat Kaep at running, lol.