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The Walking Dead Season 7

I kept wondering why the fuck they can't speak in complete sentences. It's not like they're generations removed from the outbreak or anything
 
I think thats part of their thing... Every group has something... There is a KING who talks like he lives in the middle ages haha..

There was one scavanger who peaked my interest, but probably a nobody. Was wearing a hood/mask so you couldnt see his/her face.
 
Does anyone have an idea of how many people the saviors actually have? How many vassal states under their thumb?
They had about a hundred fighters when they corraled Rick and the gang.

How many ambushes on collection runs would/will it take to starve the beast?
 
I think it is somewhere between 100-200...

But I dont think it is stated, that so many people to take care of, so it makes sense they extort others... The Kingdom has to have similar numbers as well...

I really want to read the comics but havent because I dont want to spoil anything that comes up in the show
 
My partner and I have been talking about this a lot. They're not smart in how they're keeping people in line. They need to make it oppressive enough that people are terrified of them, but just comfortable enough that they'll put up with it. When they leave people feeling they will lose everything eventually, they're setting themselves up for a revolt.

They should also have been much more freaked out to have Carl show up at HQ. They're dangerous, no question about it, but they're also extremely vulnerable to a guerilla siege. 3 or 4 people with explosives, barbed wire, and some guns striking convoys could severely limit their ability to move supplies in and out, and blend back into one of the communities or be living rough in the woods. Each pickup run they send ~10 guys and 3 vehicles. Hit 3 of those in two weeks and the Saviors are hungry and down 20% of their available forces. For all their bluster, they can't afford to go kill everyone at Hilltop or Casa Rick just in case, because they have too many mouths to feed.
 
I think it will have to be an attack that hits them in multiple places and at the same time.

Hit the next big run to Alexandria and then move on the compound... who knows though.
 
I'm not a fan of this new scavenger group. They aren't in the comic and I agree the broken English is dumb. A little too mad Max style for me and I like mad Max. It just doesn't fit.

Also what good is a group who deliberately avoids confrontation? They aren't fighters. They are just cannon fodder. Good for Rick I guess but stupid deal for them.

They never say how big the saviors are in the show or the comic but the common estimate is 100-200. Remember they are never all in the same place at the same time. There are presumably more at outposts and more guarding their home base.
 
revnort said:
I'm not a fan of this new scavenger group. They aren't in the comic and I agree the broken English is dumb. A little too mad Max style for me and I like mad Max. It just doesn't fit.

Also what good is a group who deliberately avoids confrontation? They aren't fighters. They are just cannon fodder. Good for Rick I guess but stupid deal for them.

They never say how big the saviors are in the show or the comic but the common estimate is 100-200. Remember they are never all in the same place at the same time. There are presumably more at outposts and more guarding their home base.
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I heard it mentioned they may be the Whisperers.
 
westie said:
I heard it mentioned they may be the Whisperers.
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I actually thought about that when I first saw the leader. She does seem like alpha.

That would be an odd departure/addition to the story line though.

Could be, but it would make the future whisperer change quite a lot.
 
Saviors are way too dependent on ruling through fear / intimidation, and spread too thin. Rick's group took out what looked to be like a relatively well-armed and supplied outpost with ease (minus the Maggie/Carol hiccup). And that was with far fewer numbers. Now, Rick's group has been established as pretty resourceful and badass and all, but as long as the apocalypse has been going on I find it difficult to believe there weren't other groups, especially in that region, who were smart enough to engage in some guerrilla warfare against the saviors. For that matter, I haven't seen too many booby traps in general. If there's few enough roads for the saviors to set up an ambush and sit around waiting for Rick (presumably with people scouting and following them), then sure the Saviors have enough numbers to maintain...in a limited capacity. But it doesn't take much to dig a punji pit, and if you know they're scouting on foot you could dig several a night until their camp was surrounded by a veritable minefield of pit traps. Taking out vehicles (fuel supplies actually lasting that long notwithstanding) is also a relatively simple matter. Some spike strips, homemade caltrops, etc along their egress routes from their camp? A tripwire linked to a tree trunk to block the road? Or even just digging under the road and weakening the ground so that foot traffic can cross but vehicles collapse the pavement. How about fertilizer explosives? Where's all the construction and farm equipment? One guy with access to a welding shop could build tank traps that would completely block off the Saviors' supply routes. Hell, just source a few bags of concrete from somewhere and make a shitty wall in the middle of the road overnight, then dig ditches to the sides of it so they can't drive around.

Any halfway-decently supplied group could accomplish this easily I think. Wouldn't even take that long. Set up a sniper or two to take a few potshots and hide every time they try and clear a road and you could whittle them down pretty quickly. Their society would quickly turn on itself and Negan.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Saviors are way too dependent on ruling through fear / intimidation, and spread too thin. Rick's group took out what looked to be like a relatively well-armed and supplied outpost with ease (minus the Maggie/Carol hiccup). And that was with far fewer numbers. Now, Rick's group has been established as pretty resourceful and badass and all, but as long as the apocalypse has been going on I find it difficult to believe there weren't other groups, especially in that region, who were smart enough to engage in some guerrilla warfare against the saviors. For that matter, I haven't seen too many booby traps in general. If there's few enough roads for the saviors to set up an ambush and sit around waiting for Rick (presumably with people scouting and following them), then sure the Saviors have enough numbers to maintain...in a limited capacity. But it doesn't take much to dig a punji pit, and if you know they're scouting on foot you could dig several a night until their camp was surrounded by a veritable minefield of pit traps. Taking out vehicles (fuel supplies actually lasting that long notwithstanding) is also a relatively simple matter. Some spike strips, homemade caltrops, etc along their egress routes from their camp? A tripwire linked to a tree trunk to block the road? Or even just digging under the road and weakening the ground so that foot traffic can cross but vehicles collapse the pavement. How about fertilizer explosives? Where's all the construction and farm equipment? One guy with access to a welding shop could build tank traps that would completely block off the Saviors' supply routes. Hell, just source a few bags of concrete from somewhere and make a shitty wall in the middle of the road overnight, then dig ditches to the sides of it so they can't drive around.

Any halfway-decently supplied group could accomplish this easily I think. Wouldn't even take that long. Set up a sniper or two to take a few potshots and hide every time they try and clear a road and you could whittle them down pretty quickly. Their society would quickly turn on itself and Negan.
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I think there is a problem with the portraying of the Saviors' numerical advantage.

One thing the audience has taken for granted is that following Rick for 7 seasons is that we assume every survivor is a fighter of some ability. Alexandria was an exception because they were not plagued by zombie attacks until Rick arrived.

The first attack on a Saviors' outpost, it was about 10 of Rick's people vs 20-25 Saviors, an easy win given the advantage of surprise. Then the Saviors mobilized about 150 fighters while Rick was forced to drive around in a RV.

Now it looks like like 20 or 30 Saviors fighters and 40-60 slaves at the main compound. You would think the numbers would be a bit higher than that.

Also, it was amazing foolish to kill the only doctor in a close-quarters living arrangement. One person gets the flu, guess what happens next...
 
shits getting boooooooooooooring


that is all

first 5-6 seasons was 70-80% zombies with 20-30% human interaction

now its 99.999% humans with .0001 zombie apocalypse
 
sanjuro said:
I think there is a problem with the portraying of the Saviors' numerical advantage.

One thing the audience has taken for granted is that following Rick for 7 seasons is that we assume every survivor is a fighter of some ability. Alexandria was an exception because they were not plagued by zombie attacks until Rick arrived.

The first attack on a Saviors' outpost, it was about 10 of Rick's people vs 20-25 Saviors, an easy win given the advantage of surprise. Then the Saviors mobilized about 150 fighters while Rick was forced to drive around in a RV.

Now it looks like like 20 or 30 Saviors fighters and 40-60 slaves at the main compound. You would think the numbers would be a bit higher than that.

Also, it was amazing foolish to kill the only doctor in a close-quarters living arrangement. One person gets the flu, guess what happens next...
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Negan controls a fairly well organized army. They have multiple unknown outposts, and unknown total numbers. I got the impression there are a lot more Saviours at home base than we saw.

Even with the show of power when subjugating Rick and company that was not ALL the saviours. Negan's response of only killing a few of the group in exchange for 25-30 of his fighters should tell you all you need to know. Keeping the communities working for him, so that he can support his army/community is more important to him. Hell he considers 25-30 essentially disposable. That should scare you enough.
 
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