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Those new R1200GS look kinda cool.....

I mean, there is an advantage in steering speed when you have less contact patch, but I'm not exactly driven to put a bicycle front tire on the thing to get it to steer faster. :laughing

Less contact patch? That's counter intuitive to me, in the mountain bike world one of the advantages to the 29er (as the marketing folks would have us believe) is that the contact patch is bigger than on a 26" wheel and therefore better traction (which is also suspect). I'm trying to imagine how a 19" wheeled bike would have a smaller contact patch than a 17" wheel. Unless the tires on the 19" are narrower, that would make sense to me.
 
Never owned a bike that had mismatched wheel sizes so for me it's just picking the brains of those who have experience and possibly learning something before taking a plunge. Still in tire kicking mode so to be continued.

Go test ride it. I doubt you'll have any problem with the size of the front wheel.
 
This is a great sound bite, but it's just not true. People buy the GS for exactly what it is, a great all around bike that can do everything from commuting, to touring, to light off road work to canyon carving. And, at least the new bike, does all of those very, very well.

And the 19" tire thing being a problem on the street is a joke. A good rider can absolutely strafe a twisty road on this bike, on 19's, with spokes, with dual sport tires. I know a guy who could probably lose any BARFER in the hills on their sportbikes on his aircooled GS with knobbies. The difference in feel and front end trust required on the new bike and a Multi or a sport bike with 17s is overblown. And a very small tradeoff for how much easier the bike is able to ride everywhere else.

The new GS is an amazing motorcycle and worth every penny they sell it for. And it has little to do with the LWR nonsense.

Fast street riding is about risk appetite, not skill to any real degree. The thing is, when I'm riding fun pace, if I can be at 85% of the limit by having the right equipment for the situation rather than 95% of the limit, that's "better". The 19 inch front, with it's heavier weight, smaller contact patch while leaned over, and more inertia, doesn't make me want to go out and buy one when there are better options available. I'm also not interested in compromising the geometry, stability, TC, and ABS by swapping shit around.

It's a fine point to make, perhaps, but if you're going to drop a pile of money on a new bike, buying a bike that has made those compromises doesn't make much sense to me.

Nothing Z3n is saying about the 19" front is technically wrong, it's just not an issue for what this bike is for. As you approach higher speeds the additional weight and gyroscopic forces WILL be noticable. Combine that with a lack of true sport rubber for the wheel size and you'll have a hard time chasing the 2 minute mark at Thunderhill. But for the remaining 99% of the time the 19" is either not an issue at all or actually has some advantages, for example tracking a little more stable over less than racetrack smooth pavement.

But if you're chasing a 17" wheeled bike down your favorite road and it's walking away from you, it's not the 19" wheel, you're simply being out ridden.

All of this is very true - I'm sort of a stickler for the right rubber for the riding situation (and frankly think that is more important than the 17/19 inch debate), so having the freedom to run anything from track stuff for trackdays, sticky street rubber for aggressive long street rides and Pilot Roads for wet weather commuting is a big of a requirement for any bike that I'm going to dump a pile of money on. 2 up on a big bike on sticky rubber around the track is one of the best times you can have, IMO.

Less contact patch? That's counter intuitive to me, in the mountain bike world one of the advantages to the 29er (as the marketing folks would have us believe) is that the contact patch is bigger than on a 26" wheel and therefore better traction (which is also suspect). I'm trying to imagine how a 19" wheeled bike would have a smaller contact patch than a 17" wheel. Unless the tires on the 19" are narrower, that would make sense to me.

The 19 inch tires are usually narrower - typically it's a 3 inch front rather than the more standard 3.5 inch front, running a 110/80 rather than a 120/70. Apparently some of them are moving to a 120/70-19, though, which just sort of, ugh, why, we've been to this show already, there's a reason we run 17s, they're the best balanced compromise, and supermotos make it really clear you don't need 19s or 21s to do all kinds of fun offroad shit.

It's also about the profile of the tire, specifically while leaned over - 17s that are sport inspired are designed to give max contact patch while leaned over, whereas less sport inspired tires may change profile and design for a more stable upright experience, less tracking of grooves, etc.

It's compromises in design, as with anything else.
 
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i would prefer riding one of these:

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If you're not going offroad just get the new RT. Even an RT will do most of the 'offroad' a GS will likely see. If it's an actual 'roadway' and not an OHV park open to OHV bikes then an RT will do it
 
I'm seriously looking at the new RT but got a curios GS sidetrack going on at the same time.

Pure road, I'd go RT too. Spent a lot of time on the back of those bikes as a kid and have always had a thing for them.
 
Never owned a bike that had mismatched wheel sizes so for me it's just picking the brains of those who have experience and possibly learning something before taking a plunge. Still in tire kicking mode so to be continued.

It's a non-issue.

You can't put the front tire of (almost) any motorcycle on the rear anyway. It really doesn't matter that the GS has mismatched sizes. The bike is set up for it and it works.
 
If you're not going offroad just get the new RT. Even an RT will do most of the 'offroad' a GS will likely see. If it's an actual 'roadway' and not an OHV park open to OHV bikes then an RT will do it

Maybe it's just me, but I find the GS to be more comfortable than the RT. :2cents
 
A lot of the people on here call the boxer "weak" because feels a bit tractorish. Then again, it pulls like a tractor up to about 130mph with no hesitation and handles like a dream. Some people just want that feeling of strangling a screeching peacock every time they twist the throttle.
I prefer the choking of chicken...:twofinger
 
Does it have a 19" for offroading?

:dunno

I'm not in the minds of the engineers who designed it. I'll point out though, that every GS since the R80 has had a 21 or a 19 front hoop. Maybe it's tradition and they just like messing with people. :laughing

It works. That's what matters. Zen's issue was probably a lot less of the front tire being the "wrong" size and much more the telelever front end which does notably dampen front end feel. But you get used to that and then that becomes a non-issue too.

I'm not the motorcycling phenom a lot of people on BARF portray themselves to be and at the end of the day it's not my piggy GS-Adventure or it's 19 inch front wheel holding me back.

:ride
 
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Seconding that the RT will go anywhere "offroad" most GSes go offroad:
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That's from a ride a few years back with a buddy. :laughing

:dunno

I'm not in the minds of the engineers who designed it. I'll point out though, that every GS since the R80 has had a 21 or a 19 front hoop. Maybe it's tradition and they just like messing with people. :laughing

It works. That's what matters. Zen's issue was probably a lot less of the front tire being the "wrong" size and much more the telelever front end which does notably dampen front end feel. But you get used to that and then that becomes a non-issue too.

I'm not the motorcycling phenom a lot of people on BARF portray themselves to be and at the end of the day it's not my piggy GS-Adventure or it's 19 inch front wheel holding me back.

:ride

I've actually ridden plenty of the telelever bikes - R1200ST, R1100S, R1150GS, etc, but I like that front end design, I don't feel like it significantly compromises feel, it just transfers it to more of a "chassis" feel than a "ride the front" feel. The natural antidive under braking is a really nice in terms of stability on the brakes, too. If the shocks get worn out the handling goes downhill really fast, but that's to be expected. The R1200ST actually went up a tight, goaty road much faster than it had any right to, given the specs.

I've also ridden the 19 inch front 1190 Adventures, Triumph Tiger 800s, etc, and inevitably, the 19 inch front just doesn't do it for me on the road, and I'm not a fast enough offroad rider to feel like the 19 gains anything offroad.

Also, seconding that the tire sizes being mismatched doesn't matter - that's a setup thing that has to be done at the factory, but it it came from the factory with a 19/17 setup or whatever, it's totally fine.
 
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EXACTLY. You can ride any size wheel you want if you're slow enough. You can ride a razor scooter through that hardpack. You can even ride alloy cast wheels without any worry what a 550 lb bike+180lb rider and a pothole will do to them....

Fastest bike on the street is the 990 Adv because of those large wheels. They inexplicably LOVE all the usual crap road conditions that sporkbike riders bemoan: potholes, tar snakes, gravel, impromptu water crossings...
 
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EXACTLY. You can ride any size wheel you want if you're slow enough. You can ride a razor scooter through that hardpack. You can even ride alloy cast wheels without any worry what a 550 lb bike+180lb rider and a pothole will do to them....

Fastest bike on the street is the 990 Adv because of those large wheels. They inexplicably LOVE all the usual crap road conditions that sporkbike riders bemoan: potholes, tar snakes, gravel, impromptu water crossings...

:laughing

See earlier comment about speed on the street being directly related to risk appetite. The bigger wheels aren't enough of a handicap to physically stop the bike from being ridden at a stupid pace on the street. They're just getting you way closer to the limits of traction than you need to be.

But then again, you're the guy who argued that drum brakes are just as good as discs, so :laughing

Obligatory:
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true. i just thought the bmw motor was so weak when compared to its peers like the multi, fjr, or 1190. and not on-paper racing, but when i actually gave them a go.

The GS doesn't feel as fast as it is.

Here's video of the BMW spanking the 1190 KTM in roll-on acceleration (over and over), 0-100 kph and 1/4 mile:

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