ThunderHill 600 Time?

[uraniaclio]

I would guess that he's talking about a low, blocking line over the top of the hill and getting them to hold up when you cut in front, and then flip it back over to the right and block their line down the hill.

That's not a pass though. That's just corner parking somebody protecting your position.

 

[Z3n]

That's not a pass though. That's just corner parking somebody protecting your position.

It's a pass if you start behind them, cut in front as you come over the top of the hill (turn 5) and then block them into 5a.

 

[uraniaclio]

It's a pass if you start behind them, cut in front as you come over the top of the hill (turn 5) and then block them into 5a.

I've never seen this done. That might be just passing someone up 5 and claiming the line first. If you stuff someone there from the outside, you're most likely end up in a fistfight provided you're both not too badly hurt.

 

[Z3n]

I've never seen this done. That might be just passing someone up 5 and claiming the line first. If you stuff someone there from the outside, you're most likely end up in a fistfight provided you're both not too badly hurt.

Yeah...seems pretty ballsy to me. Maybe he'll clarify for us noobs?

 

[Ratters]

I've never seen this done. That might be just passing someone up 5 and claiming the line first. If you stuff someone there from the outside, you're most likely end up in a fistfight provided you're both not too badly hurt.

Oh, don't be such a puss. Win it or bin it man.

 

[tiltedworld]

On the outside of 5? On the way up the hill? I thought after the apex at the top of the hill the downhill side would be 5A? I've seen lots of passes outside there. do go on...

A lot of people will drift in, even when late apexing there. If you can time your closing speed to turn in on the passee's outside as they turn in, you pretty much guarantee the line into 5a. It's a slow turn and there's plenty of room off the apex line. It's actually not a rude pass, as you are pretty visible throughout the pass. You are clearing the long way around that ends up being an inside pass down the hill. All they can do is wait till you're clear to flick over into 5a.

It's worked best for me in the first lap of a race, as everybody slows and plays follow the leader. They can't go forward quickly due to the pack and there's room off apex. I've picked up 3 places there with that move. but it can be used if you've been following someone for a while and know where they'll turn in. I don't recommend for trackdays though, LOL

Its not that bad to abort before the apex and even if you get around and not clear of the rider you can pretty easily check up down the hill to abort as well before turning into 5a. Has to be timed pretty well, but again works best in first lap situations.

Besides...how do you "stuff" someone from the outside, taking the long way around? The passee is only at risk of being surprised someone can go 'round there and only delays their turn in for 5a.

Y'all know I ain't fast, this is just something I ended up trying once and it worked so well, I've done it a few times when the moment presented itself

 

[TCK!]

YOu mean like this?


(Brownie points for whoever recognizes rider in the background hehe)

Wow that looks just like a guy that was pitted next to me at RFR about 3 weeks ago. Same bike, same leathers, but different helmet.

 

[billswim]

A lot of people will drift in, even when late apexing there. If you can time your closing speed to turn in on the passee's outside as they turn in, you pretty much guarantee the line into 5a. It's a slow turn and there's plenty of room off the apex line. It's actually not a rude pass, as you are pretty visible throughout the pass. You are clearing the long way around that ends up being an inside pass down the hill. All they can do is wait till you're clear to flick over into 5a.

It's worked best for me in the first lap of a race, as everybody slows and plays follow the leader. They can't go forward quickly due to the pack and there's room off apex. I've picked up 3 places there with that move. but it can be used if you've been following someone for a while and know where they'll turn in. I don't recommend for trackdays though, LOL

Its not that bad to abort before the apex and even if you get around and not clear of the rider you can pretty easily check up down the hill to abort as well before turning into 5a. Has to be timed pretty well, but again works best in first lap situations.

Besides...how do you "stuff" someone from the outside, taking the long way around? The passee is only at risk of being surprised someone can go 'round there and only delays their turn in for 5a.

Y'all know I ain't fast, this is just something I ended up trying once and it worked so well, I've done it a few times when the moment presented itself

I get it now, thanks. I've always looked to the inside there and can embarrassingly say I have NEVER considered looking outside for any room. I will at least look next time I am there.

 

[Z3n]

I get it now, thanks. I've always looked to the inside there and can embarrassingly say I have NEVER considered looking outside for any room. I will at least look next time I am there.

Yeah, seriously...thanks for the tip, tilted. Maybe you'll find me on 5, blocking your sweet pass!

 

[tiltedworld]

I think stuffing up the inside is a way riskier pass. Either you get position on the inside up the hill or you don't. The stuff has more often than not bad implications for both should it not be timed well and leaves little room for error.

 

[kef27]

One way I've heard to make your bike go faster is to let Vik ride it. At least, that's what he said during the rider's meeting June 30th....

Honestly, I think it's a fair question to ask what bike he's on - the entire thread was about 600's and lap times - so saying the bike doesn't matter is ignoring the entire purpose of the thread.

 

[BIG186]

I think stuffing up the inside is a way riskier pass. Either you get position on the inside up the hill or you don't. The stuff has more often than not bad implications for both should it not be timed well and leaves little room for error.

+1 I had a redmist rider clip my front cresting 5, I didn't see him till he put me on the ground after I attempted to set up for 5a and this was only a track day. Did the OP ever clarify if he was running 2's on his 600?

 

[runamok27]

Way to read what I wrote, dude.

The best riders in the world crash because they're not only pushing their limits, they're pushing the limit. They also, for the most part, are professionals who are paid to do this. They're not some trackday goer who has to be to work on Monday morning. In this sense they can afford to crash.

Now if you don't see a difference between that and pushing the 2:00 mark at Thunderhill then I don't know if trackdays are something that you should be doing. The idea that crashing at a trackday, or even off the pace during a race, is acceptable is dangerous to yourself but more importantly it's dangerous to those riding around you..

I never said it was acceptable. It is what it is. If you push your limits you will crash and you don't have to be pushing the limits of the bike to be pushing your limit. The vast majority of crashes I have seen in person and on TV are rider error, whether they are going the limit of the bike or not. This is just what I have seen, crashes become more common the closer you get to your personal limit and it has nothing to do with the limit of the bike, as far as track day riders are concerned.

Going under 2:00 at Thunderhill is extremely fast, pretty much everyone will never get that fast. So pushing to go under 2:00 at Thunderhill will cause pretty much everyone to crash now and then. It was merely a comment on how fast that really is and for most of us who do track days it should not be attempted without knowing the risks. The problem I see is that people hear or read about the times the AFM folks are doing to win the races and think that it is possible to run that fast. What they don't understand is that those folks running at the front are on a whole different level of riding from the average track day rider, even the fast track day rider.

I am neither a danger to myself nor have I ever been or plan to be a danger to anyone else. You don't know me nor do you know how I ride so your comment is out of line.

Still waiting for the list of really fast folks that have never crashed.