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Time To Get Fit - 2024

Robert, I just started following Keegan on strava. You and him were 1&2 on my feed yesterday Being about 1:50 back from him after 100+ miles is FUCKING amazing. I hope you are elated. Hats off man. Nice work.
 
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Great Job, Robert!

It's been fun following your progress and TWT's, also.

You both are at different times and places with your lives, but you both are killing it!
 
Thanks everyone.

I found my phone. It was exactly where I crashed, about 0.8mi from a SAG. So it was only short hike for my tired legs :laughing

If you want to :nerd a bit about my race, here's some data showing where it fell apart compared to Keegan the winner. The final column is the important part, minutes lost per mile. While I had some energy left for the end, I really need to work on the part just before that so that I don't sacrifice so much time. That pace I had for the first half of the race - ~0.8min lost per mile - would have achieved my stretch goal of 6:30hrs.

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I'll never be the best or strongest cyclists, but I can optimize my way to better results!
 
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^ what kind of activities or training or nutrition or pacing do you think will help? (legit curious since you have needed out pretty hard on this stuff.

back from two days at american supercamp. god damn it’s a lot easier with less of me to move around and being fitter. i am not that sore and i did pretty well. i am happy.

i am psyched about doing a track day soon.
 
^ what kind of activities or training or nutrition or pacing do you think will help? (legit curious since you have needed out pretty hard on this stuff.


The training plan from my coach seems to be targeting the kind of efforts I need to do during races - threshold and sub-threshold efforts with some rest in between. My plan is mostly made up of the following:

- Easy endurance riding, conversation pace, ~10-12hrs per week
- VO2 Max intervals, very very hard breathing pace, 15-20min per week
- Sub-threshold intervals, hard for 30min x2-3, 60-90min per week
- Movement and core work, 30-60min per week

I think the intervals are where the fitness is increased. The easy endurance riding locks that in and trains me to recover from the harder efforts. But as you can see, it's not that much hard riding, only about 15% of my time on the bike.

As for pacing - I wish I could reduce the pace for the 1st half of races to be fresher for the 2nd half. But in cycling, riding with faster riders is so beneficial that it's definitely better to destroy yourself a little in the beginning. That way you get to draft faster riders and don't get blocked on narrow trails. You never want to be the strongest rider in the group you are riding with. You end up doing more work and helping others, as the expense of your own race. I was definitely blocked a bunch in AZ and it prob cost me at least 10min. That's what I get for taking too long to warm-up and having to line up too far back.

My nutrition is 90% of the way there. I ate 90g carbs per hour. Rumors are that TourDeFrance riders eat 100-140g per hour, depending on effort and body weight. I do think I need to improve my breakfast though. My oatmeal did not go down well before this last race.

back from two days at american supercamp. god damn it’s a lot easier with less of me to move around and being fitter. i am not that sore and i did pretty well. i am happy.

i am psyched about doing a track day soon.

That's pretty awesome. It's great that your results are obvious with your fun activities. It's probably great motivation to keep going.

My proportions for training above are pretty common in endurance sports - 85% base pace, 15% hard. It works well when your training is many hours per week. And it's almost required because any more hard effort could cause burnout. Given how much you walk a week, you may be able to adopt something similar. Maybe try to sprinkle in some harder efforts - hills, "sprints", etc - to keep your body a little stressed and building fitness. Staying a little stressed is how we push past the plateaus that always happen eventually.
 
The training plan from my coach seems to be targeting the kind of efforts I need to do during races - threshold and sub-threshold efforts with some rest in between. My plan is mostly made up of the following:

- Easy endurance riding, conversation pace, ~10-12hrs per week
- VO2 Max intervals, very very hard breathing pace, 15-20min per week
- Sub-threshold intervals, hard for 30min x2-3, 60-90min per week
- Movement and core work, 30-60min per week

I think the intervals are where the fitness is increased. The easy endurance riding locks that in and trains me to recover from the harder efforts. But as you can see, it's not that much hard riding, only about 15% of my time on the bike.

As for pacing - I wish I could reduce the pace for the 1st half of races to be fresher for the 2nd half. But in cycling, riding with faster riders is so beneficial that it's definitely better to destroy yourself a little in the beginning. That way you get to draft faster riders and don't get blocked on narrow trails. You never want to be the strongest rider in the group you are riding with. You end up doing more work and helping others, as the expense of your own race. I was definitely blocked a bunch in AZ and it prob cost me at least 10min. That's what I get for taking too long to warm-up and having to line up too far back.

My nutrition is 90% of the way there. I ate 90g carbs per hour. Rumors are that TourDeFrance riders eat 100-140g per hour, depending on effort and body weight. I do think I need to improve my breakfast though. My oatmeal did not go down well before this last race.



That's pretty awesome. It's great that your results are obvious with your fun activities. It's probably great motivation to keep going.

My proportions for training above are pretty common in endurance sports - 85% base pace, 15% hard. It works well when your training is many hours per week. And it's almost required because any more hard effort could cause burnout. Given how much you walk a week, you may be able to adopt something similar. Maybe try to sprinkle in some harder efforts - hills, "sprints", etc - to keep your body a little stressed and building fitness. Staying a little stressed is how we push past the plateaus that always happen eventually.

i have added hills and i love them. it’s how i get into hrz 2. plus the extra effort feels so good and i get that endorphin high. i am excited about the upcoming time change because it will be light longer after work and i can resume hiking in the hills.

now that my shoulder is healed i want to try doing a little trail running. just a few hundred feet at a time. a fitness goal is to run one km and not die. hahaha.
 
Hand hand issues developing again this week after my Tuesday workout can feel the left hand going into finger lock again. Fortunately my trainer canceled this morning as I wasn't going to.

So annoying. My buddy who uses the same trainer with his wife says she also has these issues sometimes and she's lifting a lot less weight than I am.
 
Hand hand issues developing again this week after my Tuesday workout can feel the left hand going into finger lock again. Fortunately my trainer canceled this morning as I wasn't going to.

So annoying. My buddy who uses the same trainer with his wife says she also has these issues sometimes and she's lifting a lot less weight than I am.

There are plenty of search results for lifting causing fingers to lock. Minor cases seem to be nerve or muscle issues caused by dehydration, lack of salts, or overtraining. Solutions are hydrate better and stop overtraining. Severe cases seem to be "trigger finger", a repetitive stress injury of swelling of the finger tendon. This swelled portion gets stuck when trying to slide through the finger pulleys - often the A1 pulley - causing the finger to lock. Solutions range from NSAIDs to steroid injections to surgery.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....eaking-of-health/what-triggers-trigger-finger

Tendons are fickle things in the body. They take forever to strengthen and forever to recover. This is especially true compared to muscles, causing an imbalance in what you think you can do. From my rock climbing experience, tendons are very often the limiting factor for how hard someone can train. Once you get a tendon RSI, generally the best solution is way more time off than you want to take. I'd guess you need to decrease the total load from your lifting until your tendons can adapt more... assuming they can adapt.
 
Haven’t chimed in on this thread in awhile!!
190lbs and still wrestling, punching, kicking, knee’ing, elbowing and throwing other half naked men on sweat soaked mats. Also, lifting some weights.

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There are plenty of search results for lifting causing fingers to lock. Minor cases seem to be nerve or muscle issues caused by dehydration, lack of salts, or overtraining. Solutions are hydrate better and stop overtraining. Severe cases seem to be "trigger finger", a repetitive stress injury of swelling of the finger tendon. This swelled portion gets stuck when trying to slide through the finger pulleys - often the A1 pulley - causing the finger to lock. Solutions range from NSAIDs to steroid injections to surgery.

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....eaking-of-health/what-triggers-trigger-finger

Tendons are fickle things in the body. They take forever to strengthen and forever to recover. This is especially true compared to muscles, causing an imbalance in what you think you can do. From my rock climbing experience, tendons are very often the limiting factor for how hard someone can train. Once you get a tendon RSI, generally the best solution is way more time off than you want to take. I'd guess you need to decrease the total load from your lifting until your tendons can adapt more... assuming they can adapt.

Thanks so much for the info.

The thing is I worked out on Friday, was fine, skipped Monday, and then worked out tuesday, and it started hurting thursday and got worse friday. I didn't work out friday. I can't imagine how I'm over-training it, I work out with weights twice a week. And I hydrate pretty well. I don't really want to stop working out due to health concerns
 
Thanks so much for the info.

The thing is I worked out on Friday, was fine, skipped Monday, and then worked out tuesday, and it started hurting thursday and got worse friday. I didn't work out friday. I can't imagine how I'm over-training it, I work out with weights twice a week. And I hydrate pretty well. I don't really want to stop working out due to health concerns

The hands are so central to human life. It’s likely that other parts of your life contributing to the stress on your hands. For example, using a computer is often terrible for hands. And using a phone isn’t much better. Which can you reduce or give up…
 
My V02 max cracked 32 for the first time today after creeping up steadily this last week.

I went for a 2+ hour walk. Covered 7.9 miles. I am tired and a bath sounds nice. Robert, I don’t understand how you ride at a competitive pace for 8 hours at a time. You’re cuckoo bananas.
 
Great job, TWT! :thumbup

Roberts just younger than us and he's built up to it along with watching his nutrition.
 
Thanks so much for the info.

The thing is I worked out on Friday, was fine, skipped Monday, and then worked out tuesday, and it started hurting thursday and got worse friday. I didn't work out friday. I can't imagine how I'm over-training it, I work out with weights twice a week. And I hydrate pretty well. I don't really want to stop working out due to health concerns
About 7 years ago my should didn't get better after a couple months, when I went to the doctor to see what was going on, they took xrays then told me that I had moderate arthritis in my shoulder.

If a problem persists for over a month, and you've taken steps to mitigate the issue, it's time to see a specialist to find out what's going on. It's better to know what's happening rather than guess and a specialist will have the tools, training and experience to know what is ailing you.

Just my :2cents
 
I am riddled with injuries - MCL on the right knee, both shoulders impinged from Judo, Jiujitsu and Boxing, tendonitis in both elbows, nagging achilles from jumping rope and to top it all off, cauliflower'ing ears.

About a 1.5 year ago, I got on TRT, and even though I have these injuries, I feel like a million bucks. I am 49 now, and I have the testosterone levels of a 25 year old. Also, six pack abs! Which I havent had since my 20's. The biggest change I felt was the emotional leveling out, but my physicality and ability to put in more work has shot through the roof. I'm muscular again, I feel strong (working around injuries) and my energy is great.

I know for a lot of people it is controversal, but I did the research, weighed the risks (which are minimal) and sought out the rewards. I don't feel like I'm on death's doorstep anymore and it has changed my life. Literally the fountain of youth, and if it shaves off 5 years of my life, so be it. I'd rather lose 5 years in my old age, than feel like crap and have a shitty quality of life.

Before I got on TRT, no matter how hard I worked out - no matter how much I tracked and stayed on diet and did everything "right" I could go nowhere. My workouts sucked, and I was depressed (which I come to find out was due to reduction of testosterone levels at my age). Couldn't' get rid of my spare tire, no matter how much I dieted and trained. I am finally able to train with young athletes and not get gassed or destroyed on the mat.

Several of the older martial artists (over 40) I train with have turned to TRT and have had fantastic results.
 
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We each have to choose our risks in an intelligent manner and understand the risks versus the benefits that we get from those risks, the equation will be different for each of us.

Let's face it, the older we get, the harder we're going to have to work to achieve the results we got when we were younger, and of course the faster they will go away. But, it's better than the alternative to throw in the towel and shorten our lives by going sedentary or at least not work out.

Glad it's working out for you, Dion! I hope it continues well into the future, I know you've asked a lot of your body over the years.
 
I am way better than 5 years ago because my back isn't a daily pain. My disc won't fix itself but it's mostly like not having any back issues at all anymore. Ironically walking too far in unsupportive shoes tends to mess it up more than say accidentally picking up something too heavy.

I am definitely going to book a doctor's appointment for the hand.
 
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