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VW "Clean" Diesel not really clean

KWeezyXB12 said:
so if their re flash or whatever it is they're gonna do makes my mileage and performance drop can I take the car back? I wouldn't have purchased the car if it's only gonna get 30-35 mpg
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and that is why the lawsuits will soon be coming. People will be pissed when the mileage drops and they thought they were paying for more. Just the beginning.
 
FlewbyU said:
and that is why the lawsuits will soon be coming. People will be pissed when the mileage drops and they thought they were paying for more. Just the beginning.
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Its actually just going to be a load of bullshit suits with ever Dubbs thinking he's going to get rich since he got screwed (potentially) out of a couple mpg.

In the end, some will get paid for the trouble. I lawyers will really make out and I doubt one German VW engineer gets sodomized.
 
I don't mind a little less but mid 40s to mid 30s is a huge drop IMO there are other options I would've went with. I bought the car for the mpg plain and simple. I used to be back and forth from sj to Chico every weekend one tank would get me there and back and commuting to work for the week. Usually about 610+ miles per tank. I'm not much of a lawyer up kind of person but if this situation happens I would definitely check into my options
 
It'll likely end up as a class action suit...that you probably won't net much from.
 
You know what sucks, Kyle? My car gets 32 MPG on the highway, is fun to drive (as you know) and cost less than $22K new. Perhaps you should've looked harder. ;)
 
BTW,
I have seen VW litigate asbestos cases. They are more than hardcore. They do not lay down and settle cases. If they take the same approach, it will cost far more for the everyman to get his $5-10k they may very well be entitled to. For these small cases they will just make it not worthwhile for lawyers to pursue and the cases go away. I haven't seen VW in an asbestos case (which they could/should arguably be in) in several years because they are just too much of a pain in the ass to litigate against.

Good luck. Absent a class action, I wouldn't touch a one or two off case with a ten foot pole.
 
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If I get enough from the settlement for an APR or Malone ECU tune($600) then I'll be content. Of course that's if the recall is solved exclusively through the ECU.
 
Sharky said:
BTW,
I have seen VW litigate asbestos cases. They are more than hardcore. They do not lay down and settle cases. If they take the same approach, it will cost far more for the everyman to get his $5-10k they may very well be entitled to. For these small cases they will just make it not worthwhile for lawyers to pursue and the cases go away. I haven't seen VW in an asbestos case (which they could/should arguably be in) in several years because they are just too much of a pain in the ass to litigate against.

Good luck. Absent a class action, I wouldn't touch a one or two off case with a ten foot pole.
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Aaron you are a classic defense attorney, a corporation can do no wrong. :teeth I would be happy to take any VW customer that bought the car for the mileage and turns out after the fix the mileage drops by 10 mpg. Solid product defect case. The customer buys the car with a certain expectation and the manufacturer intentional lies about it, that is punitive damages on top of the economic damages suffered.

These cases will certainly be a class action and the attorneys are not going to be the only ones that make money, this is going to cost VW large.
 
FlewbyU said:
Aaron you are a classic defense attorney, a corporation can do no wrong. :teeth I would be happy to take any VW customer that bought the car for the mileage and turns out after the fix the mileage drops by 10 mpg. Solid product defect case. The customer buys the car with a certain expectation and the manufacturer intentional lies about it, that is punitive damages on top of the economic damages suffered.

These cases will certainly be a class action and the attorneys are not going to be the only ones that make money, this is going to cost VW large.
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What I'm wondering is why the plaintiff who originally comes up with the idea for the class action only gets like $25-50K for his trouble as the "class representative", while the firm makes millions. Why didn't he go from firm to firm, negotiating a higher take? Without him, the attorneys wouldn't have made shit.
 
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Reli said:
What I'm wondering is why the plaintiff who originally comes up with the idea for the class action only gets like $25-50K for his trouble as the "class representative", while the firm makes millions. Why didn't he go from firm to firm, negotiating a higher take? Without him, the attorneys wouldn't have made shit.
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Part of the trouble is the background/legwork associated with getting a class certified.
 
FlewbyU said:
Aaron you are a classic defense attorney, a corporation can do no wrong. :teeth I would be happy to take any VW customer that bought the car for the mileage and turns out after the fix the mileage drops by 10 mpg. Solid product defect case. The customer buys the car with a certain expectation and the manufacturer intentional lies about it, that is punitive damages on top of the economic damages suffered.

These cases will certainly be a class action and the attorneys are not going to be the only ones that make money, this is going to cost VW large.
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When VW puts on their scorched earth defense running you ragged with constant motions/discovery it takes the value out of the single case. You can win and still lose in the end.
 
Reli said:
What I'm wondering is why the plaintiff who originally comes up with the idea for the class action only gets like $25-50K for his trouble as the "class representative", while the firm makes millions. Why didn't he go from firm to firm, negotiating a higher take? Without him, the attorneys wouldn't have made shit.
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As PI attorney I can tell you that taking on a class action is a huge financial risk and can cost millions to pursue. In class action you have to track down and notify the member of the class of the suit and tell them what their options are in the case. Think about tracking down 500,000 people and then mailing each of them one notice, which there are many. Each time you mail them something you just spent $250,000. If the class is really large with millions of people image what the cost of the postage alone is, not including all the expert and court fees. The costs to pursue are huge.

I do agree that I do not like class actions, but for the most part members do little or nothing and the law firm spends millions of dollars to pursue the claim with the risk of getting nothing and members receive a check, sometimes for pennies sometimes for thousands. But nevertheless all the risk is born by the law firm, and if you don't want to be part of the class action you can always opt out and hire your own attorney and purse the matter separately.
 
Sharky said:
When VW puts on their scorched earth defense running you ragged with constant motions/discovery it takes the value out of the single case. You can win and still lose in the end.
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You drank the coolaid on this one. VW had little problem in the asbestos world because they sold so few cars up to the 90s and were therefore a small player. Plaintiff's firms had bigger fish to fry than VW and could afford to push them aside because they did not want the hassle.

However this is something entirely different. VW can used all the legal tricks they want but they are going to pay big in this case, and I don't just mean money out of pocket, the damage to their reputation is huge.
 
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