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VW "Clean" Diesel not really clean

Very surprised at the public comments, or at the least the choice of words, by the new head of VW today. He's basically destroying any defense, if there was any, they had against lawsuits. VW is totally FUBAR. I'm now of the mind this is a corporate killer that will result in the break up of the company and sale/spin off of its other brands.
 
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Note the bold letters on the bottom right. The EPA is not trying to guess how you drive, just provide a standard measure to allow comparison between cars.
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Agree 100%, which is why I think the press reports claiming that there is something nefarious going on because certain cars aren't meeting their stated ratings in real world driving are nonsense. That's my point. EPA ratings are not accurate measures of real world gas mileage.
 
Read that Bosch (who supplies the fuel system, at least from the high pressure pump forward, from what I have been informed) actually wrote the software, supplied to V-Dub for testing purposes, warning them that it would be illegal to have such in a production vehicle.

Also, the bean counters at the time essentially directed VW engineering to release the car with out an SCR system to save cost. I knew it! :D Blame the bean counters!

Anyways, this is getting thick. Very interesting and bizare to see how this is unfolding.
 
aminalmutha said:
Read that Bosch (who supplies the fuel system, at least from the high pressure pump forward, from what I have been informed) actually wrote the software, supplied to V-Dub for testing purposes, warning them that it would be illegal to have such in a production vehicle.
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And this is why you never do this. Bosch will now get named in every lawsuit and have to spend tens of millions on legal costs, even if they can prove that they told VW not to do it. When a client asks you to do something that has no valid use and tries to assure you that they'll never use it inappropriately, just say no.
 
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^^ I'm doing that 40k service this weekend myself. DSG filter & oil, fuel filter, air filter and cabin filter change. Didnt look tough youtubes and parts are were only $200 shipped including vw specific engine oil and filter I'll need in 5k miles.
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I did the 40k myself and it wasn't all that hard besides priming the fuel filter. Do you have a VCDS/VAG com or are you going jump the pump?
 
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VW's Promised Fix for Diesels Doesn't Apply to U.S. Vehicles: Source

Volkswagen's promise to deliver a fix for its rigged diesel engine "in the next few days" refers to vehicles sold in Europe and other foreign markets, not the U.S., according to a company source.

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But they said that VW also may have to modify most of the 4-cylinder diesel engines in the 482,000 cars sold in the U.S. to add a urea injection system. That is a more-advanced approach to reducing nitrogen oxides than the emissions-control system that was originally used on the vehicles, a choice driven by Volkswagen's interest in holding down costs.

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Declines in either fuel economy and performance, or both, would potentially open up the automaker to claims that it fraudulently sold the vehicles and should be responsible for refunding the entire purchase price, said another attorney suing the company.

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^^ In addition to drops in mpg and performance, if that urea system takes up ANY room in the trunks or cargo areas then its a lawsuit because we bought these cars based on specs listed.

I don't know anything about urea systems though.
 
Dubbington said:
^^ In addition to drops in mpg and performance, if that urea system takes up ANY room in the trunks or cargo areas then its a lawsuit because we bought these cars based on specs listed.

I don't know anything about urea systems though.
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Is that the def fluid? So they make money off us buying extra shit lol it should be free if they do that. That fluid has to be added every 3-5k it's not that expensive but still an extra expense for something we had no control over
 
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DEF is commercially available EVERYWHERE. Anyone that buys it from their vehicle manufacturer is an idiot and likes overpaying. Same with oil, washer fluid, etc...
 
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DEF is commercially available EVERYWHERE. Anyone that buys it from their vehicle manufacturer is an idiot and likes overpaying. Same with oil, washer fluid, etc...
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What about that special Sturmgewaehr version of $40 per qt. oil?
 
AP analysis: Dozens of deaths likely from VW pollution dodge

Nitrogen oxides mostly form smog — that murky, dirty air that makes it hard to see and for some people to breathe — but also amplify a deadlier, larger problem: tiny particles of soot. Numerous medical studies show those tiny particles cause about 50,000 deaths a year in the United States, mostly from heart problems.

Nitrogen oxides can travel hundreds of miles, so pollution spewed in Pittsburgh can be felt on the East Coast, Adams said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/ap-analysis-dozens-deaths-likely-vw-pollution-dodge-142614396.html
 
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If retrofitted with a DEF system, VW will be paying for free DEF for the life of the vehicle.

The 2017 TDI will be equipped with a coal rolling switch. :smoking
 
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