VW "Clean" Diesel not really clean

[Reli]

I have seen absolutely nobody whine about the dirtiness of the car on this forum, nor outside of it.

Literally everyone I have read on this forum and outside of it (my TDI owners friends) only talks about how awesome the power and the mileage is.

What's more, I haven't seen any driver in the countries I have visited, complain of any dirtiness in any diesel, including diesels by GM/Opel (just drove one) or Citroen or Toyota.

Additionally, the people who have posted above said they care only about the KBB value. Some of them posted last year what I said above, about the power and MPG.

It seems to me that people don't care about 'clean' at all..

You must have missed my posts lol, I've opined that diesel probably shouldn't be allowed in passenger cars, since it creates more particulates and NOx than an equivalent gasoline engine, even if the car DOES meet standards.

While the financial ramifications suck for everyone involved, the important thing is to get these cars fixed and running as clean as possible.

 

[antidote]

Im still a huge VW fan. I dont fault them for shit.

The rules seem to have had loopholes. They did what corporations do---exploit loopholes. I think it is by far the most badass move ever.

Like...well played gentlemen, well...played. *golf clap*

Now that the rabbit (no VW pun intended) is out of the hat, they do need to get their shit together and fix it so that they are within the spirit of the law as well from now on.

 

[Reli]

Yeah, well played........So they could fatten their wallet, at the expense of everyone's air. Nice.

 

[antidote]

Yeah, well played........So they could fatten their wallet, at the expense of everyone's air. Nice.

 

[Marcoose]

Im still a huge VW fan. I dont fault them for shit.

The rules seem to have had loopholes. They did what corporations do---exploit loopholes. I think it is by far the most badass move ever.

Oh no. That was cheating. Big time! That's not at all exploiting a loophole.

Loophole is when all rules and written and homologated, except someone noticed a legitimate gap in the rules, which, if used, do not break any rules. For example, if the rules stated a horn cannot exceed 20dB, but without specifying the number of horn allowed per vehicle, and VW install 3 15dB horns per vehicle. There. No rules broken. Just a loophole.

VW cheated on the emissions, and already admitted so. Nobody admits wrongdoing while using a loophole.

 

[antidote]

^^yeah true true...or just PR damage control...easier to say you were super duper wrong and knew you were wrong so the media doesnt try to hang you up even worse by arguing you were exploiting loopholes and acting like you shouldnt shoulder any blame.

Im not sayin VW is innocent. Just that they did some AMAZING (in every sense of the word) things and pretty much would have gotten away with it it if it werent for those meddling teenagers.

And...they need to fix this shit and fix everything if they want a future.

 

[Marcoose]

Sorry, Nick, when we say, "exploit a loophole", a true loophole, we're saying that while the spirit of the rules were slightly bent, no rule was broken and everybody is innocent.

The EPA rules are, while complex as heck, that vehicles must perform at X level during normal operating conditions, and NOT at X while being tested and whatever under normal operating conditions. VW cheated, broke the rule, is guilty.

The distinction here is important because "corporations are people, my friend" (Romney, 2012) already commit egregious crimes but rarely do the time. The slippery slope is already set. Pretty soon we'll buy Colgate toothpaste and end up pregnant and nobody will give a fuck.

 

[Killroy1999]

Whoops
VW could buy back 115,000 diesel models in the US

 

[Pierre I am]

Whoops
VW could buy back 115,000 diesel models in the US

I hope this is true

 

[SpeedyCorky]

115,000 VW diesels... thats like most of the 2014's and all the 2015's that were sold before all of this dropped... anything older than that, you likely will be stuck with it (such as Violet and I with our 2011)

its a really great car, very luxurious for the price and damn that turbo diesel fuckin' torques ya forward something fierce - even at super low RPMs.... but it might very well be a good time to sell it, as i'm pretty sure the clean modification will be required, and i've heard that it likely will cause other components to fail on the car much sooner = not cool.

 

[Dubbington]

What about my 2013??

 

[SpeedyCorky]

u likely fuct too

i only say the above cuz i looked up how many VW/Audi TDIs were sold in 2014 = close to 100k, so yeah do the math

if it does go thru, i'd be reaaaaly curious as to what VW would pay for them.. would it be market value, or like 10% below, or what.... if it even 5% below, i'd rather just craigslist it than hand it to VW. 5% of 14/15k is close to a grand

 

[Pierre I am]

I actually think it's going to be the cars in California only. Either way my families will be bought back since it's a 2014.

 

[Dubbington]

u likely fuct too

i only say the above cuz i looked up how many VW/Audi TDIs were sold in 2014 = close to 100k, so yeah do the math

if it does go thru, i'd be reaaaaly curious as to what VW would pay for them.. would it be market value, or like 10% below, or what.... if it even 5% below, i'd rather just craigslist it than hand it to VW. 5% of 14/15k is close to a grand

My 2013 is a tdi diesel. I read the article earlier today and didnt read any dates. I imagine and hope it's all California 2.0 TDI engine cars.

 

[SpeedyCorky]

lets hope so

we've considered selling it, just to get her a cheaper, easier to work on, and possibly more reliable car (honda civic kinda thing)... if VW offers a fair price, we might just dump it

 

[Pierre I am]

The reason why I'm thinking it's only going to be California is because of the CARB. We have stricter standards than the EPA does in most states. They can easily do the software update for the 49 other states.


Realistically we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Holeshot]

My 2013 is a tdi diesel. I read the article earlier today and didnt read any dates. I imagine and hope it's all California 2.0 TDI engine cars.

Who cares? I'm trying to buy a 2015 A3 TDI for a steal right now.

 

[OldMadBrit]

In 1979 my Mechanical Engineering professor told us this.

With some research, it looks like this is no longer true (if ever?), it could be that fuel injection and the addition of computers into gas cars have changed the efficiency of gas engines in cars.

There goes one more thing that I took as a fact in my younger years.

No you professor is still right. Diesel engines don't need a throttle plate and can run efficiently at a very wide range of fuel:air ratios. These characteristics make Diesel Cycle engines far more efficient that Otto Cycle engines at partial load - and that's where most engines are for most of the time. There are advanced cycle diesels running at 49% thermal efficiency which is better than electric or fuel cell efficiencies.

Otto Cycle engines approach the efficiency of Diesel Cycle engines at full load. That's where gasoline hybrids work well and why you don't see Diesel hybrids.

What VAG did was unconscionable.

 

[Reli]

Who cares? I'm trying to buy a 2015 A3 TDI for a steal right now.

Maybe with the discount you'll get, its resale 5 years from now will actually be on par with American and Japanese cars.

 

[Holeshot]

Maybe with the discount you'll get, its resale 5 years from now will actually be on par with American and Japanese cars.

Maybe. I think the non-updated cars will hold value pretty well compared to updated cars given the MPG change (assumed).