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VW "Clean" Diesel not really clean

I said it from the very beginning when this story broke. The eventual cost to VW from this mess will be staggering, way more than they were estimating, and that it would potentially be a corporate crippler or killer. I stand by that. What's shocking is what has coming to light about how lightly VW Management still took this issue after things heated up with regulators last summer. Either incredible arrogance or incredible incompetence, or both. Their behavior after the fact is almost as shocking as the behavior that led to the issue in the first place.

Before it's over, I think the cost to VW will be well over $30 billion and there will be criminal indictments in multiple countries.
 
I don't think there would be the basis of legal ramifications in any country besides the USA,
And, I think it's plausible they could get away from that if the simply..leave the US market? :dunno

That may explain something along the lines of "why they acted so slowly"? Or maybe they were mistaken in moving slowly anyway!
 
AbsolutEnduser said:
I don't think there would be the basis of legal ramifications in any country besides the USA,
And, I think it's plausible they could get away from that if the simply..leave the US market? :dunno

That may explain something along the lines of "why they acted so slowly"? Or maybe they were mistaken in moving slowly anyway!
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There are criminal investigations already underway in Europe and Asia. VW offices have been raided by authorities in numerous countries already. There will be blood before this is all over.

And leaving the U.S. market doesn't get VW out of anything in the U.S. Multiple VAG owned companies would still be doing business in the U.S. and the U.S. authorities would have any number of ways to turn the screws on VW.
 
i just want another small efficient diesel sedan to replace mine if they take mine away!

nothign else really comes close to the efficiency and comfort and driving experience of the 2.0 TDI
 
KittenMeat said:
i just want another small efficient diesel sedan to replace mine if they take mine away!

nothign else really comes close to the efficiency and comfort and driving experience of the 2.0 TDI
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this. my golf is very comfortable for long rides. took a while to find the right seating position cuz im a big dude but its a nice car. im gonna go with the buy back if thats what happens. if they have a fix it seems risky to me and i wont trust the car, ill have the driving a ticking time bomb feeling. i think the only car that compares to the mileage and isnt a hybrid is the chevy cruze. but who knows they might be doing something similar and havent been caught yet.
 
If they want me to buy another VW- I want my full out the door price back. All the resale prices on ALL VW's have tanked since this.

I bought my car new, paid for it in cash and expected it to last for 250K or better with good care and regular maintenance.

I should have just leased and walked away. :|

I would have never bought this car if I knew it was gonna depreciate over 50+% in less than two years.

Maybe I can trade it in for a Mitsubishi. :p
 
If you were planning on having the car for 250k miles, even at a very high 20K miles per year, you planned on having the car 12 plus years. Why are you worried about resale 2 years in? You were planning on driving most of the value out of it anyway.
 
augustiron said:
If you were planning on having the car for 250k miles, even at a very high 20K miles per year, you planned on having the car 12 plus years. Why are you worried about resale 2 years in? You were planning on driving most of the value out of it anyway.
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this is me to a T. The main concern I had was the high pressure fuel pump failures on the new TDI engines. I understand there is a fix in the aftermarket world, and now that I'm out of warranty it looks attractive.

If the "fix" involves castrating the car I won't be super happy, but I did fully intend to keep this car forever, hence getting diesel over gas. I'm more upset about the fix screwing it up more than anything else. I'd honestly take a swap to the TSI (gas) sportwagen as it's no slouch either, and will probably get equivalent mileage by the time the fix is implemented.


I got an insane deal on this car. Traded my 08 WRX STI in on it...I owned that car and used it up for 7k total, 70k miles. subaru dealer owner was a friend doing me a favor. I got the TDI to travel to mountain bike races, and to travel the state doing doctor work. It has not disappointed me.
 
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KittenMeat said:
this is me to a T. The main concern I had was the high pressure fuel pump failures on the new TDI engines. I understand there is a fix in the aftermarket world, and now that I'm out of warranty it looks attractive.

If the "fix" involves castrating the car I won't be super happy, but I did fully intend to keep this car forever, hence getting diesel over gas. I'm more upset about the fix screwing it up more than anything else. I'd honestly take a swap to the TSI (gas) sportwagen as it's no slouch either, and will probably get equivalent mileage by the time the fix is implemented.


I got an insane deal on this car. Traded my 08 WRX STI in on it...I owned that car and used it up for 7k total, 70k miles. subaru dealer owner was a friend doing me a favor. I got the TDI to travel to mountain bike races, and to travel the state doing doctor work. It has not disappointed me.
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I had my hpfp go out at 25k. Vw repaired it under a warranty 8500$ job all covered. The gov required Vw to fix them even if your car is out of warranty less than 10 years old and less than 150k I think was the mileage because the part was defective. They replaced the entire fuel system, injectors and fuel tank
 
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I am at 50k, no problems, but knowing the hpfp is lurking on the horizon bugs me for sure.
The car is unbeatable on MPG vs power for the frequent tahoe to SF trips we have to make but if I could get an AWD/4wd replacement that got decent mileage and is a decent size, then I could sell 2 cars and have 1. There is nothing I know of that is even close. My 4runner gets about 18mpg real world.
 
And VW announces today that the total liability is likely going to be higher than the $18 billion they've already set aside and that they are probably going to have to sell assets to pay for it...
 
augustiron said:
If you were planning on having the car for 250k miles, even at a very high 20K miles per year, you planned on having the car 12 plus years. Why are you worried about resale 2 years in? You were planning on driving most of the value out of it anyway.
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Here's the thing people don't know: the value of their vehicles is already set up to 4 years out by VW. Leasing rates set the wholesale value of their vehicles as long as 48 months out. As I said above, VW will give mid wholesale for their cars based on their lease rates because that value was already established. Legally, that's all they're obligated to. They may want to give more for customer retention, but overall, you can figure out what your car is going to be worth in X amount time based on lease rates. Especially for cheaper vehicles.

Archimedes said:
And VW announces today that the total liability is likely going to be higher than the $18 billion they've already set aside and that they are probably going to have to sell assets to pay for it...
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Bye Bye Ducati! Looks like the Chinese will have another shopping spree.
 
I don't think they will sell Ducati. They need the bikes to offset their shitty mpg from the other sectors lol.
Realistically we can say goodbye to Bugatti, Bentley, lamborghini.
 
My HPFP went out at 88,000 miles. VW fixed and replaced it along with the fule lines/tanks/injectors etc. I was well out of warranty.

I'm still debating on if i want to keep this car or not. Will the fix require DEF refills etc? I also have an expensive Timing Belt replacement looming. That and my Turbo Actualor is broken. ($300 part, day or two of doing labor myself).

While it ran, i loved it. But man, if i decide to keep it....and something breaks, it won't be cheap to fix. Another HPFP failure? Actuator again? There's another common issue with another actuator failure.

And, always in the back of my mind... My step daughter has horrible asthma. And this whole time, it could have been getting worse (it has gotten worse) because of this stupid company lying about the emissions safety.

BTW,

If you haven't signed up for the $500/$500 yet, you have 2 days to do it.
 
Link to details on buyback, cash payout, time frame and possible fix.

http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/crb/vwmdl/proposed-settlement

A fix has not been determined therefore yet approved. Puts Cali drivers in a funny spot because if we accept the $5,000 cash AND chose to keep the car waiting for the fix, they have a 2018 deadline. If the fix is not approved then, a buyback or lease termination will happen.

My question is, is the value of the buyback in 2018 still the value of the car as of September 2015? Also, there's a warranty and lemon law listed for the fix, but no amount of mileage or years.

Sounds unfortunately the best bet is to take the cash pay out PLUS the buyback. I'm hoping in my case it will be around $17k.

Not sure what I'd get that has the power, MPG and space.
 
Dubbington said:
Link to details on buyback, cash payout, time frame and possible fix.

http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/crb/vwmdl/proposed-settlement

A fix has not been determined therefore yet approved. Puts Cali drivers in a funny spot because if we accept the $5,000 cash AND chose to keep the car waiting for the fix, they have a 2018 deadline. If the fix is not approved then, a buyback or lease termination will happen.

My question is, is the value of the buyback in 2018 still the value of the car as of September 2015? Also, there's a warranty and lemon law listed for the fix, but no amount of mileage or years.

Sounds unfortunately the best bet is to take the cash pay out PLUS the buyback. I'm hoping in my case it will be around $17k.

Not sure what I'd get that has the power, MPG and space.
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I was just coming here to post this. Here is the Jalopnic article: http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-must-offer-to-buy-back-any-diesel-four-cylin-1782730728
 
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