• There has been a recent cluster of spammers accessing BARFer accounts and posting spam. To safeguard your account, please consider changing your password. It would be even better to take the additional step of enabling 2 Factor Authentication (2FA) on your BARF account. Read more here.

VW ID4, Ford Mustang Mach-E or Chevy Bolt EUV

Looks like a Macan with some Corvette wheels and front end.
 
yodaisgod said:
Infrastructure needs to accelerate and government needs to increase subsidizes and incentives to push EV's more including charging stations.

Many can't charge at home or at work. Those that live in apartments or have HOAs (condos/townhouses) that don't allow chargers in their garages, will need to be pushed/incentivized to install charging stations (not to mention police it properly because scumbags like thinking ICE'ing EV spots is a fun sport). There is really no incentive for an apartment renter to get an EV if they can't conveniently charge it. Making trips to nearby charging stations shouldn't be something that one needs to schedule or plan out in order to use their car.
Click to expand...

I agree. I would not want to own a EV unless I had EASY access to cheap charging at home. I work with a guy that bought a Model 3, but parks it on the street in San Francisco. He spends a lot of time at Superchargers. There is not charging at my office, but there is across the street and that is not convenient.

Some tech companies have been very proactive and have LOTs of charge stations. Netflix probably has 40 Charge Point Stations and 20 Tesla destination chargers. I don't know why they opted for Tesla destination chargers, because every Tesla owner should have a J1772 adapter to use anywhere.

The Tesla can be ~twice the power as the standard J1772 (11.5 kW vs 6.6 kW), so I guess that helps the folks that drive late and leave early.
 
Really good videos.
For our use here at home I think the VW would be a better option.
I believe where we live we can also get incentives to I stall a in-home charging station.
 
Killroy1999 said:
I agree. I would not want to own a EV unless I had EASY access to cheap charging at home. I work with a guy that bought a Model 3, but parks it on the street in San Francisco.
Click to expand...

Couldn’t agree more. I’ve said it many times already. Lots of people have carport or some other type of parking situation at home where they can’t charge their car. And I imagine that turns a lot of people away for having an EV. But, like you, I see the occasional person parking their Tesla on the street constantly and they’re relying on charging at work or public charging stations.

Seems like a colossal pain in the ass being dependent of equipment that you don’t control. You get to work and those 4 stations they have in the company lot are already in use for the day...but oh shit you don’t have enough range to get home now. What do you do? Go find who owns one of the 4 and beg them to let you get on and charge? Drive somewhere close by with a public charger and Uber back to work? F all that noise.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve said it many times already. Lots of people have carport or some other type of parking situation at home where they can’t charge their car. And I imagine that turns a lot of people away for having an EV. But, like you, I see the occasional person parking their Tesla on the street constantly and they’re relying on charging at work or public charging stations.

Seems like a colossal pain in the ass being dependent of equipment that you don’t control. You get to work and those 4 stations they have in the company lot are already in use for the day...but oh shit you don’t have enough range to get home now. What do you do? Go find who owns one of the 4 and beg them to let you get on and charge? Drive somewhere close by with a public charger and Uber back to work? F all that noise.
Click to expand...

The apps like Plugshare and Charge point are good at showing what stations are in use and free. They also have a rating system and comments section to let you know if something is broken, ext.

FYI, I flew from San Jose to Long Beach to pick up a lightly used 2018 Chevy Volt and drive home. What a update from the 2000 Honda Insight. I know you own/owned a Volt. I'm surprised at high EV sales are and how low sales are for Plug-In Hybrids over the past couple of years.
 
Last edited:
Killroy1999 said:
The apps like Plugshare and Charge point are good at showing what stations are in use and free. They also have a rating system and comments section to let you know if something is broken, ext.

FYI, I flew from San Jose to Long Beach to pick up a lightly used 2018 Chevy Volt and drive home. What a update from the 2000 Honda Insight. I know you own/owned a Volt. I'm surprised at high EV sales are and how low sales are for Plug-In Hybrids over the past couple of years.
Click to expand...

My old office has Chargepoint chargers. Company footed the charging bill. Chargepoint setup a wait list, and you had to be registered with the company to charge. It was easy to keep a list/DL to ask for a spot to charge if needed, or to let someone know they need to move as they finished charging.
 
Killroy1999 said:
The apps like Plugshare and Charge point are good at showing what stations are in use and free. They also have a rating system and comments section to let you know if something is broken, ext.

FYI, I flew from San Jose to Long Beach to pick up a lightly used 2018 Chevy Volt and drive home. What a update from the 2000 Honda Insight. I know you own/owned a Volt. I'm surprised at high EV sales are and how low sales are for Plug-In Hybrids over the past couple of years.
Click to expand...

Do the Teslas have a similar thing available to their built in nav where you can see if there’s a wait/occupant for nearby Superchargers? That would be a good thing to know. So if I tried to take a Model S from San Jose to LA, of course you’re stopping somewhere midway. Would be good to know if before you get to it if you’re pulling off at Panoche, Harris Ranch, or Kettleman City.

I had a Volt along with a RAV4 EV for a couple months when my dad passed away. Sold them off pretty much immediately, and got a SUV with a conventional ICE since my mom is not gonna be fussing about with plugging stuff in. The Volt I thought about keeping. Was a great commuter. And since it’s a hybrid, no compromise in lifestyle. The Toyota? Couldn’t wait to get rid of it and it’s pathetic sub 100mi range.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Do the Teslas have a similar thing available to their built in nav where you can see if there’s a wait/occupant for nearby Superchargers? That would be a good thing to know. So if I tried to take a Model S from San Jose to LA, of course you’re stopping somewhere midway. Would be good to know if before you get to it if you’re pulling off at Panoche, Harris Ranch, or Kettleman City.
Click to expand...

Yes the nav tells you how many stalls are open, and how many are broken, and if there is a wait required, along with maximum charging rate ahead of time.
 
wazzuFreddo said:
I've seen the Bolt advertised at $99/mo for a lease. I would probably get that if I was in the market for an EV. Plus the battery portion of my current car, a Volt, seems really well thought out. I assume that would carry over.

Take that with a grain of salt though, because I am looking at selling my Volt and getting a Raptor :p
Click to expand...

chrisweir.com said:
What a great price on a car which totally meets your needs. +1 for Chevy Volt.
Click to expand...

Bolt != Volt.

Chevy Bolt:
2019-chevrolet-bolt%20ev-front-angle3_13022_089_480x360.jpg


Chevy Volt:
chevy_volt.top.jpg


https://insideevs.com/reviews/340363/chevy-bolt-vs-volt-which-electric-car-is-best-for-you/
TL;DR summary :

- Bolt is pure electric, Volt is Plug-in Hybrid
- Electric-only range: 240 miles for the Bolt, 50 miles for the Volt...but then the Volt's gas engine kicks in and recharges / drives for range. Total combined range for the Volt is 420 miles.
- Cargo space : 94.4 cubic feet for the Bolt, 90 cubic feet for the Volt...but the Bolt has the hatch ala SUV / wagon whereas the Volt has a trunk.
- Finally, price : $41k for the top trim Bolt, $37.5k for the top trim Volt. Going for the cheapest options w/ tax credit, the lowest Bolt starts at $30k while the Volt starts at $26.5k
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Bolt != Volt.

Chevy Bolt:
2019-chevrolet-bolt%20ev-front-angle3_13022_089_480x360.jpg


Chevy Volt:
chevy_volt.top.jpg


https://insideevs.com/reviews/340363/chevy-bolt-vs-volt-which-electric-car-is-best-for-you/
TL;DR summary :

- Bolt is pure electric, Volt is Plug-in Hybrid
- Electric-only range: 240 miles for the Bolt, 50 miles for the Volt...but then the Volt's gas engine kicks in and recharges / drives for range. Total combined range for the Volt is 420 miles.
- Cargo space : 94.4 cubic feet for the Bolt, 90 cubic feet for the Volt...but the Bolt has the hatch ala SUV / wagon whereas the Volt has a trunk.
- Finally, price : $41k for the top trim Bolt, $37.5k for the top trim Volt. Going for the cheapest options w/ tax credit, the lowest Bolt starts at $30k while the Volt starts at $26.5k
Click to expand...

Both generations of Volt have a hatch. Here is the 2016-2019 Generation:
162535408_10158917722871380_4701042994712169896_o.jpg


GM sold too many EVs, so no more Federal EV tax credits, but there has been a lot of talk of adding more tax credits for the manufactures that have already sold 200,000+. Terrible system. The first movers should be rewarded more than the laggards.
 
Last edited:
Dealers are starting to get them so I went ahead and took both the Mach-E and the ID4 on a test drive. Even though both are compared they are two totally different animals.

The Ford is much bigger and heavier. The cabin and the interior controls strange. Not a fan of the huge screen. Felt like driving a much bigger car. The one I drove was the AWD Premium with the extended range. I wasn’t very impressed with it.

The VW was the first edition. I liked it a lot, the drive and the looks of the car are much nicer (personal preference). The I terror is much easier to navigate and the controls are much easier to use.

I’m actually ordering the ID4 with AWD. For that one I have to wait until October.
One thing I confirmed is that the dealer won’t mark up the price which is great.
 
^^^^ Congrats on the order!



I saw a Mach-E on the road this week in bright blue an I thought it looks great. Good job Ford.

I dont love VW the company, but I like their subtle styling. I'm not sure what makes the best EV.
 
Quick question.
As I wait for the ID.4, I’m seeing some good comments online about the Volvo XC40 recharge. Good electric car overall.
My biggest concern is the battery range, it is quite lower that the competitors.
I don’t really take long trips and if I do I either electric car I need to plan properly.
Anyone here has had the opportunity to try it out? Maybe someone that owns one can give your feedback?
 
wazzuFreddo said:
I've seen the Bolt advertised at $99/mo for a lease. I would probably get that if I was in the market for an EV. Plus the battery portion of my current car, a Volt, seems really well thought out. I assume that would carry over.

Take that with a grain of salt though, because I am looking at selling my Volt and getting a Raptor :p
Click to expand...

The F-150 EV will smoke the Raptor with the brake on! And do it for $20,000 less.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top