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VW ID4, Ford Mustang Mach-E or Chevy Bolt EUV

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Mach-E failed the famous Moose Test...

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I still like it, I think Ford did a good job with it, and, well, not many moose around here...
 
The F-150 Lightning is almost as lame as the Cybertruck since I can't actually buy one.

I'm hoping my turd Ford Ranger lasts until 2023-ish so we actually have some EV truck choices by then.
 
I like the Rivian quite a bit. I don't like the price and lack of a sunroof. The F150 would be a better choice for me. I'm hoping Ford gets their act together and figures out a way around the chip shortage for these F-150s.
 
Although the Tesla isn't on your choice list, I highly recommend the Tesla 3. I just bought my second one. My wife bought one for $28,000 used from Carvana with less than 10,000 miles last year and it was awesome. I test drove the Emustang to see if I would like it better and in every category the Tesla is better. Including storage room.

The Emustang drives like it's on marshmallows, there is a tiny but perceptible throttle lag, and it underperforms compared to the Tesla. And it costs the same.

So I came home and threw a $100 deposit two months ago on a brand new Tesla, $38,000 delivered on Friday.

It's a really awesome car.

Also, BMW and VW are terrible companies and I wouldn't do business with them. I used to own a E90 BMW M3 and the Tesla 3 is a better road car.
 
Nucking Futs said:
Although the Tesla isn't on your choice list, I highly recommend the Tesla 3. I just bought my second one. My wife bought one for $28,000 used from Carvana with less than 10,000 miles last year and it was awesome. I test drove the Emustang to see if I would like it better and in every category the Tesla is better. Including storage room.

The Emustang drives like it's on marshmallows, there is a tiny but perceptible throttle lag, and it underperforms compared to the Tesla. And it costs the same.

So I came home and threw a $100 deposit two months ago on a brand new Tesla, $38,000 delivered on Friday.

It's a really awesome car.

Also, BMW and VW are terrible companies and I wouldn't do business with them. I used to own a E90 BMW M3 and the Tesla 3 is a better road car.
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Bring a paint depth gauge to your delivery...
 
We did consider the Tesla Y but we were really not convinced.
Between the build quality, price change, lack of tax benefits, rebates and looks of the car we looked at other brands.
We should be getting the VW in the next month or so and the Volvo popped up.
 
Range on Volvo is too low. I wouldn't bother with that one.

Have you looked at the Polestar 2?

Yes, the paint sucks on the Tesla although the recent quality seems better than my Dec 2016 build Model S, but that's not saying much. The worst part about Tesla ownership is the absolutely horrendous service. So if the car you have is reliable then great, if not you're in for a ride.
 
The range with the Volvo is a concern, but the build quality seems to be better than others as well.

We considered the polestar 2 but we prefer to have a SUV type of vehicle.

It’s not easy to test drive a polestar also. My house is out of their area to bring the car to my house and the Boston location is not very convenient. Maybe I should just give it a try.
I wish they would had a station wagon polestar model, that I would consider right away.

Also, what is the service like with polestar, where can I get the car serviced?
 
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F150e vs Rivian R1T will be a very interesting comparison I think. Different target markets but plenty of overlap nonetheless.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
F150e vs Rivian R1T will be a very interesting comparison I think. Different target markets but plenty of overlap nonetheless.
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If it weren't for the size of the f150 that would be my choice, mostly because of the ability for it to be a back up whole home battery, fucking pge.
 
Give me the boot if this is considered a thread jack, but SWMBO wants a Model 3. We live in a condominium with 110v in the garage. I am looking into local charge points that would be able to charge it in a reasonable amount of time. 110v in the garage won't do shit for a recharge. When I told her "I won't be going to the gas station to gas up" she was not happy.

What is a good app to locate local charge point with a reasonable recharge time? We have a Safeway one mile from home that offers a 7.5kw (I think) charge point but this would take hours to charge up.

Thanks,
 
Supercharge.info is a good map of superchargers.

Personally I would not own a Tesla in your case. Using public chargers as #1 source is brutal. Did it for a year when our living situation was fluid (literally lived on a boat). Never again.
 
mrzuzzo said:
Supercharge.info is a good map of superchargers.

Personally I would not own a Tesla in your case. Using public chargers as #1 source is brutal. Did it for a year when our living situation was fluid (literally lived on a boat). Never again.
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Thank you. SWMBO is retired and could play on her iPad while charging. :teeth
 
900ss said:
Give me the boot if this is considered a thread jack, but SWMBO wants a Model 3. We live in a condominium with 110v in the garage. I am looking into local charge points that would be able to charge it in a reasonable amount of time. 110v in the garage won't do shit for a recharge. When I told her "I won't be going to the gas station to gas up" she was not happy.

What is a good app to locate local charge point with a reasonable recharge time? We have a Safeway one mile from home that offers a 7.5kw (I think) charge point but this would take hours to charge up.

Thanks,
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Plugshare is a good app for places to charge.
 
I completed my conversion to full EV usage late last year. I currently own the following:
  • 2021 Energica Ribelle (CCS DC charging)
  • 2020 Chevy Bolt (CCS DC charging)
  • 2020 Tesla Model Y (Tesla Supercharger DC charging)

All three can and do use a generic J1772 240v charger in my garage for routine charging needs. They can also use any of the Level2 public chargers.

My Energica and Ribelle have to use CCS public chargers for DC fast charging.
My Tesla uses the proprietary Supercharger network for DC fast charging although Tesla sells a CHAdeMO adapter for using those types of public chargers for DC fast charging.

My Energica is used primarily for commuting (pre-pandemic), and my Bolt is primarily my around town, daily driver.

My Tesla is my road trip EV. I've taken it on four 1000+ mile trips since purchasing it.

Although the Tesla isn't on your list, if road trips are important to you, IMHO, Tesla is the best (and almost only) game in town. Here are a couple of reasons why I believe that to be the case:
  • Supercharger stops average about a dozen chargers per "station". Sometimes more, sometimes less but I've never seen less than 6. CCS chargers on average have been 1 or 2 chargers at any given "station". Tesla Supercharger stations are well maintained so you tend to have fewer bad chargers for long periods of time.
  • The built in Tesla navigation alleviates a lot range anxiety since it maps out the needed charging stops to get you to your destination so you know at the beginning of your trip when you need to stop. I've even had it reroute charging stops on the fly when I've either been driving too aggressively, reducing my range, or there's been an issue with a planned charger stop, either broken chargers or a full charging "station".
  • Since Tesla owns the Supercharger network, it's a seamless charging experience since the chargers and cars are integrated. There's no user authentication needed. The charger talks to the car and the authentication/payment is handled behind the scene. No need to swipe RFID or credit cards to activate and/or pay for your charge.

The few times when I've relied on CCS chargers for my Energica and Bolt, a couple of problems arose:
  • Multiple charging station vendors. I currently have about a half dozen RFID cards and apps on my phone to account for the different providers and their specific charging/authorization requirements. Things may have changed but the main reason I signed up for so many is reduced charging rates when you have an account. That may be different now since I admittedly haven't used CCS charging in over a year.
  • Poorly maintained charging network. It hasn't been uncommon for me to arrive at the 1 or 2 CCS chargers at any given stop and find them in use, broken, or both.

Again, all of the above is my personal opinion based on owning and operating both CCS-based and Tesla EVs. If road trips aren't a high priority, then really any of the EVs you mentioned would be good based on your particular needs (cost, storage, technology, availability).
 
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Charging stations is one part of Rivian I think they took an interesting approach to. Rather than compete with Tesla for the "city to city" drives, they went whole hog into the "park to park" charging and have been installing their chargers in national parks all over the country to tie into their "electric adventure vehicle" campaign.
 
Anyone knows if/when tesla will be opening their charging network to other brands? I remember reading about it at the begging game of summer but nothing has been mentioned after that.
 
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