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B-mtrd said:
Anyone knows if/when tesla will be opening their charging network to other brands? I remember reading about it at the begging game of summer but nothing has been mentioned after that.
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I think that once the grid has doubled capacity per Elon's request, we should be good to go.
 
Food for thought though obviously our gas prices are much higher.

A mid-priced internal combustion car that gets 33 miles per gallon would cost $8.58 in overall costs to drive 100 miles at $2.81 a gallon, the study found. But a mid-priced EV, such as Chevrolet Bolt, Nissan Leaf or a Tesla Model 3, would cost $12.95 to drive 100 miles in terms of costs that include recharging the vehicle using mostly a commercial charger.

On a yearly basis, assuming the mid-priced cars traveled 12,000 miles, it would cost $1,030 to drive an internal combustion car and $1,554 to drive an EV.

For luxury cars that get 26 miles per gallon and use premium gas at $3.25 a gallon, the cost to drive an internal combustion car 100 miles is $12.60. The cost to drive a luxury EV, such as a Taycan, Tesla Model S or X or Jaguar I-Pace, is $15.52 to travel 100 miles. That is using mostly commercial chargers.

“That’s apples to apples and includes the extra EV taxes, the commercial charging and the home charging and the allowance of driving to a gas station, which, for most Americans, is very short compared to driving to a commercial charger for an EV owner," Anderson said.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...-vehicle-or-fueling-a-car-with-gas/ar-AAPRY3d
 
mrzuzzo said:
Just more misinformation from the fake news media.
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You know someone when sounds like a broken record, all the time!

mrzuzzo said:
How many EV owners would actually only use commerical chargers? 90+% of all charging is done at home or in the workplace.
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I read the article the other day, and I found it reasonable albeit a bit plain or naive.


You're talking about the 'smart' EV owners, who actually think about their home and workplace before buying.

But then not everyone has charging at the workplace.

The article correctly points out that for trips, for anything else really besides work>home, there's lots of wasted time.... albeit pointing that out is Capt. Obvious !


Killroy1999 said:
Plugin Vehicles Hit 22% Market Share In Europe In August!

Europe at one point was the place that did not like EVs.
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I don't think that's ever been the case,
you might be mistaken with the higher percentage of European denizens who thought that EVs are pointless, because they're not so lucky to live in a separate house with their own charger AND have a workplace with their own charger. I.e. lots of wasted space.
 
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AbsolutEnduser said:
You know someone when sounds like a broken record, all the time!



I read the article the other day, and I found it reasonable albeit a bit plain or naive.


You're talking about the 'smart' EV owners, who actually think about their home and workplace before buying.

But then not everyone has charging at the workplace.

The article correctly points out that for trips, for anything else really besides work>home, there's lots of wasted time.... albeit pointing that out is Capt. Obvious !
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If you don't have a place to charge at home or work then you have no business owning an EV.

If you are constantly doing trips or commonly doing 250+ mile days then an EV is just not the right car for you. Get an RV or a van instead. This is probably less than 1% of the population.
 
mrzuzzo said:
If you don't have a place to charge at home or work then you have no business owning an EV.

If you are constantly doing trips or commonly doing 250+ mile days then an EV is just not the right car for you. Get an RV or a van instead. This is probably less than 1% of the population.
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My friend's wife leased a Nissan Leaf and is indeed saving money vs her old car on electricity as the upgrade to their existing RV plug outside for an RV they no longer own was minimal.

Most EV owners don't buy to save money is my guess as their is a price premium despite rebates.
 
Hertz announced its initial order of 100,000 EVs / $4.2 Billion (all Teslas near full price).
 
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GAJ said:
Headline soon: "Tesla struggling to fill Hertz order."
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Yeah, I wonder how they are going to fill the order.

They are already at a production rate of 1 million cars per year globally and demand is still high, margin is high at 28% without regulatory credits and they are raising prices again.
 
Killroy1999 said:
Yeah, I wonder how they are going to fill the order.

They are already at a production rate of 1 million cars per year globally and demand is still high, margin is high at 28% without regulatory credits and they are raising prices again.
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He already announced the move of production to Texas, I wouldn't be surprised if they maintained the CA Operation while ramping up production elsewhere to meet the large commercial order, then as things began to wind down, closed up the CA shop afterwards, right?
 
Eldritch said:
He already announced the move of production to Texas, I wouldn't be surprised if they maintained the CA Operation while ramping up production elsewhere to meet the large commercial order, then as things began to wind down, closed up the CA shop afterwards, right?
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The move is the headquarters to Texas, which I think is a good move to avoid taxes.

Tesla California is actually expanding. Fremont production capacity is increasing and Tesla just broke ground in September for the battery "Mega Factory" in Lathrop.

I'm not sure, but I think Tesla passed Northrop for #1 manufacturer in California by # of employees.
 
Killroy1999 said:
The move is the headquarters to Texas, which I think is a good move to avoid taxes.

Tesla California is actually expanding. Fremont production capacity is increasing and Tesla just broke ground in September for the battery "Mega Factory" in Lathrop.

I'm not sure, but I think Tesla passed Northrop for #1 manufacturer in California by # of employees.
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Didn't the old Muskrat recently announce he was closing Ca and moving all manufacture out of State?

*Edit* I went and checked, he took it back apparently. That dude says so much random shit when he is high. :laughing
 
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They aren't closing in CA, they are expanding in CA.

Tesla just leased one of the old HP buildings on page mill in Palo Alto.
 
I just want to know if I have to bring the rental Tesla back to the agency fully charged.
 
Map8 said:
I just want to know if I have to bring the rental Tesla back to the agency fully charged.
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I hope not :laughing

Looks like Hertz and Tom Brady are advertising for Tesla. That is nice of them since Tesla spends $0 on advertising.

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Question to the current EV users….. Do you leave your car plugged in at all times? I’m aware some of this cars have the capability to limit the charge to 80-90% charge to conserve battery life.
I work from home (soon to go hybrid) and I’m wondering gif it’s ok to keep the car plugged in even if the car reached it’s charge limit?
 
B-mtrd said:
Question to the current EV users….. Do you leave your car plugged in at all times? I’m aware some of this cars have the capability to limit the charge to 80-90% charge to conserve battery life.
I work from home (soon to go hybrid) and I’m wondering gif it’s ok to keep the car plugged in even if the car reached it’s charge limit?
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Most cars have the ability to stop charging once it's full. Some have timers to stop at certain times of the day (to avoid peak charging rates). Some home charging systems also have the ability to stop charging once draw is low.
 
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