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louemc said:
I'm seeing it very much the same.

Volt has a knee buckling price..I don't want to hear a "with tax credit, rebate"
Chevy..You get the rebate, from the Government..And straight price your car like you have a desire to sell it.

What is the cost of replacing those batteries, when replacement time comes up?..and the vehicle has been deprecating for the number of years it took for the batteries to fail.

This tweeked reality getting hyped, is as bogus as what gets preached at Cult Brain washing programs.
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Actually, the Prius and Honda hybrids have government support (actually, full battery development) as well as benefited from a 3.8B incentive program over in Japan. The Prius was known to be a loss of $16K or so to Toyota when it first came out and currently, is still about $6K or so...but that's speculated. Toyota won't confirm if it is making profit on the vehicle or not, but they ARE making profits on the technology trading/ licensing with Ford and their hybrid program.

In CA, hybrid systems and batteries, etc are warrantied for 10 years or 150K miles. One thing interesting about battery replacement: some people incorrectly see that as a liability, however as battery tech expands, upgrading to current battery tech a decade down the road will yield all of the tech benefits of the current cars at the time. Batteries will be lighter, hold more capacity and have other advances that will make a 10 year old car as capable as a current one...with little changes. This is similar to an engine transplant, but at much greater benefit.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Suffers the same fate as the Ford Fusion Energi. It's based on a nice car, but the EV range just isn't enough for most people's daily needs.

Use up your 20 miles of battery power, then it just becomes a regular (albeit very expensive) Accord Hybrid/Fusion Hybrid.

The Volt's 40 mile EV range doesn't seem like much more especially with pure electrics able to do 80 miles or better. But GM did their homework and a study found that most Americans drive less than 40 miles a day. So that's the range they shot for.

Volt worked perfect for me. Most days I'd drive to work and back and just barely have a couple miles of EV range left so I used zero gas that day. I have a feeling if I owned one long term, and just used it for commute only and used the Corvette on weekends, the Volt would be off its own chart for mpg. The cars mileage computer pegs at 250.
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Volt looks better too, but Honda will sell a few of them because it seems Accord buyers are quite loyal, in spite of the underwhelming numbers.
 
clutchslip said:
Your circumstances must match to make it work.
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Agreed. Volt is not for everyone. As I've said before, if you're putting more than 50-60 miles a day on it without throwing a top off charge in somewhere, it's not as cost effective as probably just a regular Prius.
 
teg916 said:
If you buy a car that averages 30MPG, and it costs you $15K. You drive 15K miles, at $4/gal is $2000 per year in gas.

You are going to have to do a hell of a lot of driving to justify the $30K price tag on a volt. If you spend $1000 year on gas with the Volt like the EPA estimate says, then you will break even when the car is ready to go to the junkyard.
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What kind of math are you working with there? Go ahead and show me your proofs...
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
Rob, you're just figuring out what Berto and I seem to have about a year ago. Buy the best option for point A to B, then buy your toys and take them to the track or ride them on the weekend in limited capacity. :)
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Actually. My daily driver suffered this a year ago...

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Fucking traffic. It'll bite you eventually if you're constantly in it. So after that shit happened, I found my way into a car that I got for free (a '95 Thunderbird V8) beater. Still totally roadworthy but looks rough. Put a bluetooth cd deck in and the girl got me one of those silly heated back massager seat cover things. So it's no S class, but it gets back and forth to work.

The best part? That whole liability thing about daily driving a nice car? No more. I couldn't give two shits about this thing. I don't care where I park it and if someone is gonna cut me off, I might just be inclined to PIT them. A few months ago, I got rear ended (not bad just a love tap). We pulled over, didn't see anything really bad, and just told the guy to have a nice day. He was shocked "I was being so cool about it" and I told home that if it was of my other cars, it'd be an entirely different conversation and tone right now. Plus the car is an automatic. So I just sit there and stare at bumpers with little work.

The downside...other than it being a piece of shit that is maybe worth $1500 in a dark lit lot? Gas mileage sucks. Really has me thinking of dumping the '03 for that Caddy ELR they announced today. Or if its price is ridiculous, then just go for a Volt.
 
Cool review berto. Gives me hope for future generations.

I am still a gas monger, mutherfucker who demands more.
And ... I don't commute. 15 mpg and 500 plus ponies feels to good to let go. Besides I will be dead before being broke..hopefully.
 
teg916 said:
I used the EPA estimate for the volt, $1000/yr fuel consumption.

For the regular car (15K miles / 30MPG) * $4/gal = $2000

After 15 years / 225K miles:
the Volt cost you $30K to purchase plus $15K in fuel
The combustion car cost you $15K to purchase + $30K in fuel.

If the cost of fuel doubles, then it may be more worth it but will still take 7.5 years to break even. Of course I have never seen any battery in existence that lasts more than 7-10 years, so it may take longer still to break even if they cost about $3-4K to replace like the Prius.
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I ran the same sort of calculation argument with respect to my old Volvo 240 and a Prius. It would take the Prius driver 560,000 miles before they'd break even with my 240, and I was gracious enough NOT to include the battery pack replacement(s) in those calculations.

(I'd put better odds on the Volvo for actually making it to those kinds of miles, too.)

I'll keep my Swedish death machine, thank you very much.
 
I put 21,000 miles on my prius this year. It gets 45 mpg, denali got 15. At $4/gal average, lets do the math:

21000 / 45 = 466.67 gallons x $4 = $1867

Vs.

21000 / 15 = 1400 gallons x $4 = $5600

I lease my Prius for $300 / mo., for $3600 annually. Plus ins is cheaper than the denali. So, its still cheaper to drive and pay for the Prius. And each mile I drive I save more money.

Plus, I like the damn car. Go figure!
 
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I've had the same daily driver vehicle for the past 13 muthafukkin years.

DMVfeez>MPG. :laughing
 
I like the idea of the electric cars that have gasoline generators as a more efficient way of getting the energy out of the gasoline like the Fisker Karma

Except it's $100k
 
Reli said:
LOL @ the financial comparisons against ancient POS beaters. Not everyone wants to keep driving ugly rust buckets with hella road noise and no luxury features.
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Well that's horseshit. My Chevy Vega is still a baller. :rofl
 
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