Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[gnahc79]

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The police asked him and he denied a racial motivation to the killings. He’s a documented client of those sex establishments.
Therefore the Occam’s Razor explanation coming to mind is the possibility that he could have been blocked from those establishments, got angry about it, then decided to rampage on them.

Re: The social media post... China (CCP) is a global problem even beyond Covid 19 and that’s a shared sentiment across many demographics.

Had he said “Asians” are the enemy then maybe you can say it was racially motivated in killing the sex workers.

wait, since when are we supposed to blindly accept all answers from this guy as the truth? There's not even a trial yet. His sex addiction issues and resulting rage were directed at Asian women. We don't know if he has some Asian women thing, which is racist. You don't have to scream "all asians die" for something to be a hate crime.

 

[Melissa]

exactly.

 

[mean dad]

C'mon man we already know he was having a bad day, and he said himself it wasn't a hate crime.

Why can't we just let it go and get the poor guy some counseling?

 

[Melissa]

what a victim he must be!
help him, don't hold him accountable for his actions.

At least that's what seems was meant by he was having a bad day.....

 

[gnahc79]

wtf is up with that bad day statement from Officer Baker.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

The backlash began with the sheriff spokesman’s statement to reporters that the mass shooting suspect was having a “bad day.”

“He was pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. Yesterday was a really bad day for him and this is what he did,” Cherokee County sheriff’s office Capt. Jay Baker said Wednesday. He was describing the 21-year-old man accused of killing eight people, mostly Asian and almost all women, in a rampage across three Atlanta-area spas.

Then — as the violence stirred fears in an Asian-American community that already felt under attack — Internet sleuths and journalists found Baker’s Facebook posts promoting shirts that called the novel coronavirus an “IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA.”

One person’s reaction on Twitter: “I think Capt Jay Baker is going to have a really bad day.”

 

[Climber]

I knew a gal that worked out religiously, took some form of martial arts training, and was generally a take-no-shit kinda girl. She fully believed she could take a dude in a real live street fight.
We're at the bar one weekend and she's talking to a mutual friend about whatever, and the subject of male-vs-female fisticuffs came up and she was arguing that she'd be able to take most guys. Dude says "Tell ya what, I'll bet you fifty bucks I can take your best punch to the face." Normally she isn't the type to take that challenge but she had been drinking the perfect amount to accept.

She stands up, he gets ready, and she unleashes a damn decent punch to his jaw. Nice form, good follow-through, finished in a ready stance. You could tell she'd had training.
Dude's head goes to the side a little and he says "Told you I could take it" and I could see the disappointment wash over her as she realized that she was wrong. Like, her entire persona was built on being tougher than most dudes and a random sized guy with no real fight experience beyond backing up his loud mouth took her best shot and finished his beer.



Run away.

She watched too many of those movies where the woman fights with guys and is on equal footing with them even though they had similar training.

That's always bothered me in movies that they're acting as if a woman is physically equal to guys twice their weight.

Now, this isn't a putdown on women, but size and mass are a factor in a fight, especially with everything else being equal.

 

[Abacinator]

wtf is up with that bad day statement from Officer Baker.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/17/jay-baker-bad-day/

Well, I mean, the guy is white. That basically absolves him, right?

 

[GAJ]

begins by using an ignorant term for another ethnic group.

I'm white and never thought someone using the term "redneck" was referring to all white people, not even close.

 

[mean dad]

She watched too many of those movies where the woman fights with guys and is on equal footing with them even though they had similar training.

That's always bothered me in movies that they're acting as if a woman is physically equal to guys twice their weight.

Now, this isn't a putdown on women, but size and mass are a factor in a fight, especially with everything else being equal.

It didn't have fuck-all to do with movies but yes please skip over the confidence that martial arts gave her and tell me how someone you've never met felt about life and her place in it.

 

[NSR500]

wait, since when are we supposed to blindly accept all answers from this guy as the truth? There's not even a trial yet. His sex addiction issues and resulting rage were directed at Asian women. We don't know if he has some Asian women thing, which is racist. You don't have to scream "all asians die" for something to be a hate crime.

That's the answer he gave and what will be on the record during his trial.

Any other narrative is what you, the media, or anyone else defines is just your POV.

Additionally, there's data that supports a possibility for why Asians were the victims of this crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massage_parlor

Outside of Legal Nevada Brothels a plurality of organized sex workers organized in physical buildings are "AMPs" (Asian Massage Parlors). Therefore it is plausible that it is a target of convenience that just happens to be predominantly Asian.
Lastly, just because someone has an "Asian Woman Thing" doesn't make someone a Racist. People are attracted to who and what they're attracted to.

If we're going to have serious conversations about Violent Crime against Asians then we've got to be focused and data driven. We can't just allow ourselves to fall into the Media Trap of false narratives.

There's absolutely a problem in America for Asians and as of this moment with the current evidence, this crime doesn't fit.

 

[gnahc79]

Data driven for Asians reporting hate crimes? Women especially, seriously? The reality vs reported numbers will be off by orders of magnitude IMO. There's a deep rooted "don't complain" and "save face" mentality in many Asians.

 

[KnifeySpoony]

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Fake

 

[NSR500]

I'm white and never thought someone using the term "redneck" was referring to all white people, not even close.

On the other side of the coin for Black people, there's N*gger, Uncle T*m, etc...

My Black Cousin never thinks "N*gger" refers to all Black people, but his friends certainly do. Especially his White friends.
They actually manufacture more outrage at the N-Word than he ever has.

My point is that specific to this thread title and tone of conversation, it seems like some people want to have a serious conversation about race.
I'd like to welcome that and in doing so, it would be great to omit disparaging titles for each group we discuss.

At the end of the day there's a group of White people that embrace the term "R*dneck" just like there are Black people that embrace the term "N*gger".
While they may refer to themselves in that manner it's not universal as a whole and not very useful in discussing some things.

 

[tzrider]

I got my wife and daughters these. The trick is to not let them know you have it until you're putting them on the ground. It comes with a lanyard with a pin that when removed disables it.

You got them a sex toy for self defense?

 

[NSR500]

Data driven for Asians reporting hate crimes? Women especially, seriously? The reality vs reported numbers will be off by orders of magnitude IMO. There's a deep rooted "don't complain" and "save face" mentality in many Asians.

Yes... Data driven.

There's far more ground to gain with logical arguments vs emotional ones.
It's also not explicitly confined to Asian Women. Data shows that women in general tend to under-report.

For example: Andrew Cuomo

How long did those women stay quiet? Why did they stay quiet? Why are we hearing from them now?

Same goes for situations like the Olympic gymnasts that were molested.

 

[NSR500]

I got my wife and daughters these. The trick is to not let them know you have it until you're putting them on the ground. It comes with a lanyard with a pin that when removed disables it.

Pepper Spray > Stun Guns

Regardless of Gender, distance, cover, and concealment are going to be your best case vs an attacker.
The issue with a stun gun is that you're already at arms reach of your attacker. At least a pepper spray can keep you at least 15+ feet from your attacker.

 

[gnahc79]

Yes... Data driven.

There's far more ground to gain with logical arguments vs emotional ones.
It's also not explicitly confined to Asian Women. Data shows that women in general tend to under-report.

For example: Andrew Cuomo

How long did those women stay quiet? Why did they stay quiet? Why are we hearing from them now?

Same goes for situations like the Olympic gymnasts that were molested.

We can disagree all day, please don't bury mine as emotional and therefore inferior.

dude, careful with that line of questioning. Victim-blaming a bit there.

Data showing underreporting, kind of strange but yes it's at around 80% unreported for women for rape and sexual assault. I would think the number is even higher. My friend that was followed by 2 white dudes at a grocery store...told absolutely no one for a while and never filed a police report.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/us/hate-crime-reporting-anti-asian-violence/index.html

The Justice Department and FBI are required by a 1990 federal law called the Hate Crime Statistics Act to publish an annual report on hate crime statistics. The annual report serves as the most comprehensive look at hate crime across the country.
These statistics are likely a vast undercount because law enforcement agencies are not required to submit their data to the FBI for their annual crime report. There are more than 18,000 agencies in the United States and more than 3,000 did not submit their crime statistics in 2019. Of the almost 16,000 agencies that did submit data, about 1 in 7 reported any instances of a hate crime.
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Longstanding distrust of law enforcement, language barriers and immigration status are all deterrents from reporting a crime.
"A lot of our community members don't know they can report, or they are afraid to report to law enforcement," said Quyen Dinh, executive director of Southeast Asia Resource Action Center, a community advocacy group and civil rights organization. "They would rather share with the community groups they feel comfortable with."
Sometimes, a victim may not even realize that what they've experienced is a hate crime.
"The bias behind the crime creates another layer," Lantz said. "(Victims) have to ask themselves, 'Is this a crime?' But then they have an added burden of 'was this a crime motivated by bias, or did I read too much into it?'"

 

[NSR500]

We can disagree all day, please don't bury mine as emotional and therefore inferior.

dude, careful with that line of questioning. Victim-blaming a bit there.

Data showing underreporting, kind of strange but yes it's at around 80% unreported. I would think the number is even higher. My friend that was followed by 2 white dudes at a grocery store...told absolutely no one for a while and never filed a police report.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/us/hate-crime-reporting-anti-asian-violence/index.html

You said "Inferior", I didn't.

I said; "There's far more ground to gain with logical arguments vs emotional ones."

You're also being very accusatory with the "Victim Blame" comment.

I gave a current example and a number of questions that would help in finding a solution.
The answers to these questions can define solutions that bring about more confidence in reporting, more resources to investigate claims, more resources for counselling, etc...

For example:

How long did the women stay quiet? = Duration can help establish if it's maturity, age, etc that motivate a victim to speak out.

Why did they stay quiet? = The answer to this can help identify factors in a victims environment that can be used in developing a red flag profile. Like a teacher observing a malnourished student to identify child abuse.

Why are we hearing from them now? = This answer can identify positive things to build success on to build safer channels for victims to come forward.

 

[Climber]

It didn't have fuck-all to do with movies but yes please skip over the confidence that martial arts gave her and tell me how someone you've never met felt about life and her place in it.

If that's the case, then the guys she was sparring with treated her with baby gloves.

I was in martial arts, I know the environment quite well. At least with a valid school. She shouldn't have been told that she could go toe to toe with guys much bigger than her. Pure and simple. If she had that impression, as she apparently did, she was done a massive disservice.

Also, are you sure she didn't watch those movies where women go toe to toe with guys and kick their asses? If find it hard to believe that she had that kind of confidence and that it wasn't reinforced by idiot movies like that.

I'm all for empowerment of women, but putting stupid ideas in their head isn't empowerment, it's setting them up for failure.

 

[gnahc79]

You said "Inferior", I didn't.

I said; "There's far more ground to gain with logical arguments vs emotional ones."

You're also being very accusatory with the "Victim Blame" comment.

I gave a current example and a number of questions that would help in finding a solution.
The answers to these questions can define solutions that bring about more confidence in reporting, more resources to investigate claims, more resources for counselling, etc...

For example:

How long did the women stay quiet? = Duration can help establish if it's maturity, age, etc that motivate a victim to speak out.

Why did they stay quiet? = The answer to this can help identify factors in a victims environment that can be used in developing a red flag profile. Like a teacher observing a malnourished student to identify child abuse.

Why are we hearing from them now? = This answer can identify positive things to build success on to build safer channels for victims to come forward.

Valid points , you did not say inferior. Please don't see my arguments as just emotional. I logic the shit out of everything, to a fault .

For that line of questioning, I agree I made some inaccurate assumptions. Those questions cannot be the first or only ones to help make our environment more safe.

I'm very much a numbers guy, but for hate crime the numbers aren't there and I don't see a feasible way to get an accurate dataset. AI/ML has this problem as well, biased datasets used as input for their models. Bad, missing, or inaccurate data = garbage in, garbage out.

For this Atlanta incident, it's not a clear cut event. It's messy with all sorts of issues at play: mental illness, misogyny, racism, etc. And the media has not deemed it as a hate crime really. Just a could-be, is it a hate crime, etc.

The Asian women thing...dude, there's all sorts of racist historical context for how Asian women are portrayed in the U.S..
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-...d-atlanta-case-involving-killing-six-n1261347

Choimorrow said many of the attacks and much of the sexual misconduct can be traced in part to the rampant perpetuation of stereotypes around Asian women as exotic, hypersexualized and submissive. Such stereotypes create a perception that Asian Americans are therefore less of a threat and easier to take advantage of and that they aren't going to fight back. Echoes of other archaic beliefs can be found in statements authorities attributed to Long, Choy said.

"Killing Asian American women to eliminate a man's temptation speaks to the history of the objectification of Asian and Asian American women as variations of the Asian temptress, the dragon ladies and the lotus blossoms, whose value is only in relation to men's fantasies and desires," she said. "This is horrifying. Stop fetishizing us."

Such ideas are particularly dangerous, experts said, as they put the onus on women to avoid violence, further fueling society's "misogynistic mentality about women," Choimorrow said.

"It's akin to 'I raped her because her skirt was too short.' No — you raped her because society has told you you're entitled to women," she said. "It absolutely gaslights Asian women, and [it] does play into how hypersexualized we are by society."