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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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GAJ said:
PBSNewshour had a story related to that that last night.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/h...es?utm_medium=event&utm_source=playlist__link



https://theconversation.com/women-o...esult, many women,reach $12.3 billion by 2027.
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Srsly idk how a person can make it into adulthood and not know racism and preferences for "lightness" is a worldwide human phenomenon. It's literally the implicit bias from which systemic racial bias comes. This is present even when controlled for economic/class identifiers.

Also the idea of Asians being the "model-minority" (relative to what group?) in America is a fucking pervasive myth perpetuated due selection biases.
 
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GAJ said:
PBSNewshour had a story related to that that last night.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/h...es?utm_medium=event&utm_source=playlist__link



https://theconversation.com/women-o...esult, many women,reach $12.3 billion by 2027.
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In many societies having a lighter skin was a sign of wealth. It meant that you don't spend your time toiling in the fields in the sun. It long precedes their contact to white people.


In many societies, and especially in Asia, dark skin has long been associated with working in the fields and, therefore, rural poverty. On the other hand, pale skin is associated with living a more comfortable, cosmopolitan life indoors, out of the sun. Skin color is thus a sign of social class.
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https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/where-does-the-asian-obsession-with-white-skin-come-from/

In China, Japan and Korea – long before exposure to European beauty standards – tan skin was associated with lower-class field work while having pale skin signified social prestige.
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https://nextshark.com/east-asian-pale-skin-beauty-standard/
 
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YogaJeni said:
In many societies having a lighter skin was a sign of wealth. It meant that you don't spend your time toiling in the fields in the sun. It long precedes their contact to white people.



https://thediplomat.com/2019/12/where-does-the-asian-obsession-with-white-skin-come-from/
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LOL, this shit right here has nothing to do with white people.

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Eldritch said:
Yes, I did say that they had knowledge of investments, yes? They invested in new labor models. :dunno
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They invested in new labor models that primarily exploited "free" Black people.

The Whites were in no way going to give up their power or let Blacks realize the promises of "reconstruction."

Maybe watch this documentary on the Elaine Massacre of Black sharecroppers in Arkansas which was 2 years before the Tuscaloosa Massacre in the same State.

https://www.amazon.com/Elaine-Massacre-Red-Summer-1919/dp/B0817JQHDB

Folks are more familiar with the Tuscaloosa Massacre of "Black Wall Street."

https://www.history.com/news/black-wall-street-tulsa-race-massacre
 
I think some folks still have this image of "reconstruction."

Thanks Walt.

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GAJ said:
They invested in new labor models that primarily exploited "free" Black people.

The Whites were in no way going to give up their power or let Blacks realize the promises of "reconstruction."

Maybe watch this documentary on the Elaine Massacre of Black sharecroppers in Arkansas which was 2 years before the Tuscaloosa Massacre in the same State.

https://www.amazon.com/Elaine-Massacre-Red-Summer-1919/dp/B0817JQHDB

Folks are more familiar with the Tuscaloosa Massacre of "Black Wall Street."

https://www.history.com/news/black-wall-street-tulsa-race-massacre
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You seem to be too invested in some kind of irrelevant outrage to recognize the point of my suggested solutions?

Let me help with a couple of things.

No past injustice matters. History is owed nothing, all that matters is how we use history to learn to build better future systems.

Humans just are a resource like copper, iron, or salt. That resource should be exploited to the maximum benefit allowed by the system installed through democratic processes.

Get more comfortable with these truths and you will have an easier time having a calm, rational, dispassionate, approach to solving the problems of society.
 
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Eldritch said:
You seem to be to invested in some kind of irrelevant outrage to recognize the point of my suggested solutions?

Let me help with a couple of things.

No past injustice matters. History is owed nothing, all that matters is how we use history to learn to build better future systems.

Humans just are a resource like copper, iron, or salt. That resource should be exploited to the maximum benefit allowed by the system installed through democratic processes.

Get more comfortable with these truths and you will have an easier time having a calm, rational, dispassionate, approach to solving the problems of society.
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History has a direct impact on the realities of today, there are numerous current global examples.

You present a nice whitewashed view of history for some unknown reason.

Carry on.
 
GAJ said:
History has a direct impact on the realities of today, there are numerous current global examples.

You present a nice whitewashed view of history for some unknown reason.

Carry on.
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No it literally does not have a direct impact, by the very nature of the disassociated events in is inherently indirect impact.

Impact nevertheless, but most certainly indirect, which is why I acknowledge events, but do not dwell on them, rather dwelling on future solutions. It is through this acknowledgement that we create a model to observe that is not washed in any sort of color.
 
Sharxfan said:
If you truly want to get to the root of systemic poverty you would also need to change our culture from the current blingy consumerism that it is now.

Part of the reason some people stay poor and have no generational wealth is their collective inability to save and grow their wealth.

I see it here a lot in the swamps. People get a little money and the first thing they do is run out and buy the latest kicks and trendy designer clothes instead of saving that money. You would be surprised by the number of people here who are on Section 8 housing but have the latest clothes, gold chains/watches, and drive late-model cars with 28" rims. If you are too busy spending it you aren't making it work for you which is worse than not having it in the first place. Until we quite glorifying the Have's and trying to match their lifestyles then people will not be able to drag themselves out of poverty no matter how much help you give them.
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Exactly.

bojangle said:
I don't happen to believe that government should be in the equity business. The government should work to ensure equality.

Life ain't fair, but we live in the land of opportunity for those who choose to make sacrifices, delay gratification, and apply themselves.
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Exactly.
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r those who choose to make sacrifices, delay gratification, and apply themselves.
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This is the "just stop being poor" argument.

While that it's true that it's uniquely American to consume at the levels we do, the data shows it's not just as simple as this.

And also, being impoverished, over time affects ones cognitive functions negatively due to poor nutrition, stress, health, education (financial or otherwise)ect.
 
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Karbon said:
This is the "just stop being poor" argument.

While that it's true that it's uniquely American to consume at the levels we do, the data shows it's not just as simple as this.

And also, being impoverished, over time affects ones cognitive functions negatively due to poor nutrition, stress, health, education (financial or otherwise)ect.
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not to mention that these effects begin in-utero. literally disabling children born into disadvantage and poverty before they are even born. why it’s even a subject of debate is beyond my comprehension.

been around a while, but i seriously can’t recall a more depressing and discouraging conversation on barf as this one for lack of empathy, and even trying to understand (in spite of first hand accounts) the circumstances our fellow americans are dealing with. had always thought progress was a matter of our inspiring our collective fortitude and setting aside our personal fears and biases - if only for a moment. apparently that may be asking too much.

and yeah - bring on the counter arguements - news flash - already done ad nauseam. no matter what you think you know, ‘you have no fucking clue what it’s like’ is a hard pill to swallow. swallow it, or suffer the consequences of our collective ignorance, arrogance and defensiveness.

i get that we all climb hills - but the differential in slope is not insignificant.
 
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Karbon said:
This is the "just stop being poor" argument.

While that it's true that it's uniquely American to consume at the levels we do, the data shows it's not just as simple as this.

And also, being impoverished, over time affects ones cognitive functions negatively due to poor nutrition, stress, health, education (financial or otherwise)ect.
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:facepalm

What you've said is unbelievable...

You're essentially making the same argument the NFL used to deny paying settlements to black players.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...-for-race-norming-practice-to-end-01621018741

Under the settlement, however, the NFL has insisted on using a scoring algorithm on the dementia testing that assumes Black men start with lower cognitive skills. They must therefore score much lower than whites to show enough mental decline to win an award. The practice, which went unnoticed until 2018, has made it harder for Black former players to get awards.
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Eugenics much?

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NSR500 said:
:facepalm

What you've said is unbelievable...

You're essentially making the same argument the NFL used to deny paying settlements to black players.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/r...-for-race-norming-practice-to-end-01621018741



Eugenics much?

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Wtf? This is not at all the same thing.

I'm talking about the disadvantages of being poor. Which can affect everyone born into poverty. In this instance recognizing systemic disadvantages in which certain groups experience is a tool which can be used to help fix the system.

Quit using black people as tokens in your arguments. This is brainworms territory.
 
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Karbon said:
Wtf? This is not at all the same thing.

I'm talking about the disadvantages of being poor. Which can affect everyone born into poverty. In this instance recognizing systemic disadvantages in which certain groups experience is a tool which can be used to help fix the system.

Quit using black people as tokens in your arguments. This is brainworms territory.
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I'm was not making an argument, I was reacting to your post.

You were the one making the argument and you wrote it in the same way the NFL had architected their criteria for paying out a settlement for brain injuries.

Let me remind you again:

karbon said:
This is the "just stop being poor" argument.

While that it's true that it's uniquely American to consume at the levels we do, the data shows it's not just as simple as this.

And also, being impoverished, over time affects ones cognitive functions negatively due to poor nutrition, stress, health, education (financial or otherwise)ect.
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