Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[NSR500]

This is the "just stop being poor" argument.

While that it's true that it's uniquely American to consume at the levels we do, the data shows it's not just as simple as this.

And also, being impoverished, over time affects ones cognitive functions negatively due to poor nutrition, stress, health, education (financial or otherwise)ect.

It's simply not the same context as what I asserted.


The article notes that the race norming used by tht NFL (a private org not a public in one) is a tool that's abused/misused to save money. It doesn't mean studying systemic problems and trying to fix the problems in the systems is inherently bad. Or that recognizing poverty along with racism affect certain groups of people in different ways. In fact the baseline norming method/system mention in the article was contentious and needed more refinement (which sociologist and CRT aims to do)but the NFL just ran with it because MONEY.

You’re literally saying negatively affected cognitive functions.

Just because you don’t like the NFL reference doesn’t change the fact that you are essentially cutting diminished capacity for people making poor life choices.

That’s essentially the systemic racism of low expectations.

 

[NSR500]

I don't see anything about White Supremacy or Whites being blamed when I watch NPRNewshour or read the Chron, the PD or CNN.

But evidently the media you read has Black on Asian crime as the story line.

The only White Supremacy stuff I've read since the election has been by FBI news releases.

Lisa Ling and Jada+Family just had a livestream about it. I posted the link in the previous page.

Are you implying that Lisa and Jada aren’t mainstream media figures that are in the public sphere?

I didn’t post some random link; it came from entertainment tonight.

 

[NSR500]

Whatever…

You’re all entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

If you want to engage in selective reading, that’s fine. If you want to find current media reports with non-bipoc attackers of Asians, that’s fine as well.
I post what I find in the current 24-48hr news cycle that’s relevant to “Anti-Asian Hate Crimes”. If the attackers aren’t to your liking then take it up with the media.

 

[CocoLoco]

Okay, so you made your point: poc attack Asians at about the same percentage as white people do.

And? What is the follow up to that?

 

[Karbon]

You’re literally saying negatively affected cognitive functions.

Just because you don’t like the NFL reference doesn’t change the fact that you are essentially cutting diminished capacity for people making poor life choices.

That’s essentially the systemic racism of low expectations.

Lol Ok.

Context matters

Again, your problem is with the NFL doing fucky shit with sociological studies that they misinterpreted...so they can save money. I've even asserted that people misuse data from CRT before you posted the NFL link.

Also, didn't say for all poor people. I didn't say being poor is the ONLY FACTOR that fucks your chances up. If it needs to be said, not all black people are poor. And not all poor people are black.

I've made several points that extraordinary individuals make their way through adversity.

 

[TylerW]

If I don't care about NSR500's point of view, is that a hate crime?

 

[ctwo]

As I originally posted over 30 pages ago:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

The thread title is; "Anti-Asian Hate Crimes" and according to the statistics in the BJS study there is one category where Whites are not the primary interracial perpetrator.
It is the category where Asians are the victim.

Those are interesting data.

So the two sources agree, about 1/4 of attacks on Asians are Blacks.

Your posts, oddly, are 100 percent Black on Asian crime.

Okay, so you made your point: poc attack Asians at about the same percentage as white people do.

And? What is the follow up to that?

I thought we were discussing a new trend, something we should be concerned about. Are we trying to say the point of the thread topic is acceptable because of other long-standing issues?

 

[CocoLoco]

Considering the data presented is from 2018 I’d say it’s possible it isn’t a “new” trend.

Still. That’s the data. Now what? What’s the point of bringing it up?

 

[ctwo]

Considering the data presented is from 2018 I’d say it’s possible it isn’t a “new” trend.

Still. That’s the data. Now what? What’s the point of bringing it up?

Obviously the presented data does not indicate a new trend, it's years old. Duh!

The point is just that. The *old* data is being used to discredit the topic issue.

Are you suggesting Asian hate crime is not a new issue? If not, why is there a topic about it?

 

[YogaJeni]

Okay, so you made your point: poc attack Asians at about the same percentage as white people do.

And? What is the follow up to that?

This is a good example why the wokeistanis use terms like "poc". It separates the world between whites and everyone else.
A certain group among the "poc" that is considerably less percentage wise than the "whites" in this country does most of the violence. And its seem to be taboo to point out. That's why it needs pointing out. But as personal responsibly it seems to never be an option for the wokistanis, the only acceptable answer must be that one way or another it can only be the fault of "white supremacy"
Critical race theory "logic".

 

[Karbon]

This is a good example why the wokeistanis use terms like "poc". It separates the world between whites and everyone else.
A certain group among the "poc" that is considerably less percentage wise than the "whites" in this country does most of the violence. And its seem to be taboo to point out. That's why it needs pointing out. But as personal responsibly it seems to never be an option for the wokistanis, the only acceptable answer must be that one way or another it can only be the fault of "white supremacy"
Critical race theory "logic".

Yup this is a troll y'all. I was waiting for when the 13/50 was gonna come out. It's all gonna be 1 dimensional trash-fire talking points and stats from now on without any analysis and consideration of how and why the stats come to be.

Save yourself the trouble. It's crazy because when you spend enough time online you can pick out these shortbus assertions and arguments pretty easily. There's always some pushback about free speech when racists (or people start using talking point used by racists) start popping up
in the general discourse. Naively, some prescribe ignoring these people and I suppose it's a somewhat reasonable thing to do. Well guess what? These people don't go away. Not in this era. It's a cancer.

 

[Abacinator]

Jeni's cover is slipping

 

[Eldritch]

This is a good example why the wokeistanis use terms like "poc". It separates the world between whites and everyone else.
A certain group among the "poc" that is considerably less percentage wise than the "whites" in this country does most of the violence. And its seem to be taboo to point out. That's why it needs pointing out. But as personal responsibly it seems to never be an option for the wokistanis, the only acceptable answer must be that one way or another it can only be the fault of "white supremacy"
Critical race theory "logic".

Well techincially it is usually BIPOC and it includes some honkies in it.

 

[bojangle]

Considering the data presented is from 2018 I’d say it’s possible it isn’t a “new” trend.

Still. That’s the data. Now what? What’s the point of bringing it up?

That was my thought from the beginning. It's more news click fodder than anything else.

Obviously the presented data does not indicate a new trend, it's years old. Duh!

The point is just that. The *old* data is being used to discredit the topic issue.

Are you suggesting Asian hate crime is not a new issue? If not, why is there a topic about it?

My gut tells me this so called huge increase is explained by a couple factors. I think covid combined with other factors of the last 4 years created a small increase that eventually got media attention. I think media attention helped to influence some increased reporting (not occurrences but reporting of them) and some increased categorization of regular reported crimes as hates crimes, when it came to the Asian population.

Since the numbers were so small to begin with, it doesn't take many increased numbers to be reported as large percentage gains. For example...

https://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10737834&postcount=323

https://www.csusb.edu/sites/default/files/FACT SHEET- Anti-Asian Hate 2020 3.2.21.pdf

Just skimmed the study where the 150% increase was derived from. It’s a 150% increase in mostly metropolitans between 2019 and 2020.
The study also has an FBI chart from 1996 though 2019 and when you look at it over the timespan it’s not shocking.
Leads me to believe that it’s sensationalist media clickbait. They’re doing their best to manufacture a crisis and divide people.

That's pretty much what I think. But also, we are talking reported cases. The media publicity alone will have a report generating momentum. Victims of a robbery who happened to be Asian might now be think they were victims because of hate for their race, and a lot of that might be due to this coverage where people believe there is some huge increase in hate crimes happening.


Here's an LA Times article. https://www.latimes.com/california/...icans-on-rise-in-l-a-mirroring-national-trend

Hate crimes against Asian Americans and other members of the Asian and Pacific Islander communities in Los Angeles rose sharply in 2020, mirroring a national trend and causing concern among police and local advocacy organizations.

According to a report presented to the Los Angeles Police Commission on Tuesday, there were 15 anti-Asian hate crimes reported in the city in 2020, compared with seven in 2019, marking a 114% increase.

This is in a city of over 12 million. Fifteen! OK, it is more than double the year before. But again, this is reported incidents that people believed to be hate motivated. There could certainly be other factors at play causing a few more people than normal to 1) report the crime, and 2) report that it was a hate crime. With such small numbers, that doesn't necessarily indicate an increase in actual hate crimes.

 

[bojangle]

114% increase sounds like a lot, until you consider that it is an increase of reporting and/or categorization (not even necessarily incidents) from 7 to 15 cases in a city of over 12 million. Other large cities have similarly small numbers that can be reported as large % increases.

114% has more click bate shock value than 8 additional reported cases in Los Angeles. If it was reported as 8 more cases in an entire year, in a city of 12 million, no one would bat an eye. But holy shit! 100%+ increase!!!

 

[tzrider]

114% has more click bate shock value than 8 additional reported cases in Los Angeles. If it was reported as 8 more cases in an entire year, in a city of 12 million, no one would bat an eye. But holy shit! 100%+ increase!!!

It’s not like you had to do rigorous research to uncover the raw numbers; they were reported in the same paragraph. The news in that story is that the trend is seen broadly nation wide. Even if the raw numbers are small, the trend suggests something is going on. If one isn’t in the targeted group, it’s easier to minimize the implications of a small increase in the number of incidents. If one is in the targeted demographic, it carries more significance since an increase in hate crime is an increase in personal risk.

 

[Climber]

I don't see anything about White Supremacy or Whites being blamed when I watch NPRNewshour or read the Chron, the PD or CNN.

But evidently the media you read has Black on Asian crime as the story line.

The only White Supremacy stuff I've read since the election has been by FBI news releases.

Fox. Carlson has to be outraged about something every single day.

 

[Climber]

It’s not like you had to do rigorous research to uncover the raw numbers; they were reported in the same paragraph. The news in that story is that the trend is seen broadly nation wide. Even if the raw numbers are small, the trend suggests something is going on. If one isn’t in the targeted group, it’s easier to minimize the implications of a small increase in the number of incidents. If one is in the targeted demographic, it carries more significance since an increase in hate crime is an increase in personal risk.

The same logic, regarding trends, can also be applied to how black motorists/citizens are treated in relation to other nationalities. People who aren't black don't experience it so it's not worth considering to them.

For many, it's easier to want status quo because that's the easier route, but for others things are intolerable and need to change. That applies to the subject of this thread (original) and for other areas.

 

[cvzx6r]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

-Martin Luther King, Jr.-

We need to focus on what is in front of us not was has been done or who did this and who did that. There will always be something that divides us, it's time to take a stand and come together. God Bless America, God Bless Our Nation and God Bless Our People.

Your friendly 2A supporting Mexican-American that has been in the US for 30+ years now.

-Gio

 

[Eldritch]

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

-Martin Luther King, Jr.-

We need to focus on what is in front of us not was has been done or who did this and who did that. There will always be something that divides us, it's time to take a stand and come together. God Bless America, God Bless Our Nation and God Bless Our People.

Your friendly 2A supporting Mexican-American that has been in the US for 30+ years now.

-Gio

Your words have meaningful value. I think part of the problem is that some people cannot release the idea of a diverse culture all getting along, while this has been shown to be counterintuitive to inescapable aspects of human nature.

Ethic diversity damages democracy, but that does not mean a nation cannot be diverse and still function. You do have to accept a certain amount of inter-ethnic conflict is an acceptable part of your functioning nation though.