Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[Holeshot]

Personally I think this is an attempt by the Media to divide us once again. And as mentally weak as people are it won't take much to have us all looking at each other with suspicion. Corona has EVERYONE on edge and right now you cannot be perceived as a target as they say blood is in the water and the Sharks are circling.

Travel in groups, be aware of your surroundings, carry pepper spray.
And I also find this portrayal of Asians as weak to be bullshit. I remember when a pack of Asian dudes caught me and my cousin cutting school over near James Denman Middle school and beat the brakes off of us LOL. These guys out here involved in all the fuckery WILL run into a group of young Asian savages and they are going to regret it. I got my head slammed in someones gate and about 25 stitches behind my ear you know what I learned TRAVEL IN A BIGGER GROUP.

This is more a decline in moral decency than a coordinated attack on a specific ethnicity. I've stepped in between a group of kids accosting a older Asian woman on BART before when you project confidence and make it known you are willing to legitimately fuck someone up they back off. Asians need to start doling out some vicious street justice and I guarantee this shit stops.

Solid post Critter.

Interesting numbers, but seems kind of like a surprise side jam. What do you suppose is the reason for the variance on that table and specifically how do you feel that plays into this larger conversation?

Crime. Needs. Drugs. Bad upbringings. Etc.

Let's call crime what it is, for example; Burglary = Property Crime and Murder = Violent Crime

You know, when a bunch of thugs grab an elderly Asian person and put their hands through their pockets, that isn't a hate crime. It's just a crime (robbery.)

+1. The crimes we're seeing are crimes of opportunity. Why Asians and Black Americans? Proximity. See: Hasidic Jews in NY. Same thing. Anti-semitic? Not the case, despite media reports stoking that fire. Gentrification and Ortho Jews moving into poor neighborhoods, pushing existing residents out. Much like Californians in Idaho and Montana.

I feel this is the case as well, but with pretty ambiguous metrics on how hate crime charges are applied, it's almost impossible to really tell how many are based off racism vs opportunity.

Again though, I struggle with the idea of a hate crime as a classification in law.

You know a hate crime when you see it. I've told the story before; in High School in a smallish town in PA, one of my best friends (and family) had a cross burned on their lawn. They're Tongan, from Oakland who moved back to PA. They were a tad creeped out, but not offended enough to file charges. Police did. The town supported them immensely. I watched the trial...we were on our way there when we walked out of the Wawa and the kids escort pulled up with them in the back of the car, cuffed up. They looked all of 12 to me. One was 19, the other 16. They got 8 and 2 years, respectively. Federal. It was obvious, their crime. I feel great they got real prison time.

The White on Black crimes that are classified as hate crimes aren’t usually committed to steal, but because the attacker has a prejudiced view of the victim.

Is there a reliable resource for the comment tho? I mean, I think plenty of white/ black crime is just good ol' fashioned crime. Crime, being an act of opportunity. The news media HIGHLY over represents all hate crimes on all races. It must sell well.

But, bottomline is a policy based on race. Each person is an individual (duh). It is of no solace to a rejected Asian applicant that the slot was given to a ________ person. To this applicant, he/she was denied entry despite favorable numbers, because of his/her race. I don't mind a "holistic" approach to admissions, provided it's not race-based.

What AA does is force races to compete with their own race for slots. Think about that for a second; is that good thing or a bad thing? It seems highly inequitable on one hand. OTOH, it seems a competition for "best of the race". Where does it leave us as a society when people figure this reality out? That they want a certain race doctor, lawyer, etc.

That's the problem I find may arise.

One less racist hate crime committing turd off the streets. I hope PG&E keeps the power grid fully energized for this one.

Drugs. Again, fucking drugs he was on.

1. Having people tell me I should go across the room and talk to the only Asian girl on scene.

2. Professors confusing my name with Asian classmate, for the whole quarter.

Two things:

1. White males seem to be THE WORST in keeping their mouths shut about other races dating/ marrying white women. There is no political affiliation that makes this worse or better, but by my count; my Democrat friends are worse than Republicans, although that may be because the Reps don't seem to talk about politics much.

2. Berto. In no way could I claim any issues against me from my race (height, sure), but my name is a funny one when transacting over email, phone, etc...anywhere someone hasn't seen me in person. There are times (several a month on some months) where I get the whiff the other person is treating me different due to my name. w/out a doubt, hispanics are treated at a different level than whites. I most recently experienced this at the service department of a local car dealership. It was very interesting.

 

[gnahc79]

Redlining reminds me of L.A and their messed up highways.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-06-24/bulldoze-la-freeways-racism-monument

Officials justified these actions as “slum clearance”— intended to upgrade the city’s supposedly crumbling housing stock. But their racially malign intent was obvious, laid bare when officials moved the Santa Monica Freeway so that it ran directly through the stately African American middle class neighborhood of Sugar Hill — anything but a slum — wiping it off the map.

When L.A. communities of color rose up in protest at the destruction of these neighborhoods, they were ignored. White areas like Beverly Hills and South Pasadena, meanwhile, successfully fought off freeways planned through their neighborhoods. As noted by Estrada, only 61% of L.A.’s planned freeway network was built as a consequence. This created immediate traffic bottlenecks in the system, which have lingered to this day.

Much of this freeway construction was in service of a suburban housing boom that was explicitly segregationist.

 

[Eldritch]

This is why I try not to check ethnicity boxes on paperwork, most of which is government generated.

Your path is well advised. Really checking, "Mixed/Multi" is the only box that makes sense. You could also check African American, since we all come from Africa.

There have always been enclaves from different Countries/areas and usually the first to arrive are hardly wealthy.

Well, maybe the Cubans in Miami being the exception.

Did not know about Asian redlining for housing though my sister in law has a house built in the 20s and the covenants are still on the books though, obviously not enforced.

No Asians, Blacks, Jews allowed back then among other groups that I forget.

Well, I mean, you just described it on your sisters place.

 

[GAJ]

Well, I mean, you just described it on your sisters place.

Indeed, every "new to the Country" minority that I can think of has faced some kind of discrimination which seems to evaporate over time for the most part.

Not so much for Black folks though.

 

[Eldritch]

Indeed, every "new to the Country" minority that I can think of has faced some kind of discrimination which seems to evaporate over time for the most part.

Not so much for Black folks though.

Well, that is a complicated conversation. They have only be free from Persecution for about 52 years. Critics of the Black Community need to own that past oppression.

Usually it takes about 3 generations for the immigrants to become functional members of society. Usually the 1st and 2nd don't speak English correctly, wear the wrong clothes, eat weird food, etc. It is around the 3rd generation where enough of the old country has been chased out of them to integrate successfully.

The Italians are an excellent model of this, as are the Irish. The American Black Community is about at that 3rd Generation marker and is well poised to successfully integrate, but unfortunately a lot of, "New Segregationists," are making the politicizing of their community a weapon to profit off of and fighting hard hard against counting them as equal Americans. Unfortunately, the New Segregationists are gaining a lot of traction these days, and are trying to trick people into thinking, "seperate but equal," can/should work, which may slow the integration process, only time will tell.

 

[Kurosaki]

Well, that is a complicated conversation. They have only be free from Persecution for about 52 years. Critics of the Black Community need to own that past oppression.

Usually it takes about 3 generations for the immigrants to become functional members of society. Usually the 1st and 2nd don't speak English correctly, wear the wrong clothes, eat weird food, etc. It is around the 3rd generation where enough of the old country has been chased out of them to integrate successfully.

The Italians are an excellent model of this, as are the Irish. The American Black Community is about at that 3rd Generation marker and is well poised to successfully integrate, but unfortunately a lot of, "New Segregationists," are making the politicizing of their community a weapon to profit off of and fighting hard hard against counting them as equal Americans. Unfortunately, the New Segregationists are gaining a lot of traction these days, and are trying to trick people into thinking, "seperate but equal," can/should work, which may slow the integration process, only time will tell.

I've been leaving this line of discussion alone because I didn't want to take away from the original subject of the thread.

I have input as well but don't want to hijack. My adopted sister is Chinese, so I've heard experiences of racism from her end and she knows my experiences with racism as a black man.

There's a lot to unpack but it's a thread I've been following.

 

[Eldritch]

I've been leaving this line of discussion alone because I didn't want to take away from the original subject of the thread.

I have input as well but don't want to hijack. My adopted sister is Chinese, so I've heard experiences of racism from her end and she knows my experiences with racism as a black man.

There's a lot to unpack but it's a thread I've been following.

Yeah, it is a matter of human nature that certain persons are going to just hassle people who are different. Some dummies are just always going to feel a need to grunt and beat their chest at people who are different, that never really goes away. If it isn't a weird deal like, "race," they will pick a caste, or your clothes, they way you walk, who you want to fuck, your haircut.

Something in human nature makes some people just want to persecute, so they will always find an excuse. I've always reckoned the best social solve for that is to place social emphasis on unity and togetherness rather than seperation of people as different, you know?

 

[Holeshot]

+1 Elditty.

 

[lefty]

For all of the racists BARFers saying that this is only a Black on Asian thing; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/atlanta-shootings-massage-parlor.html

I guess you never heard of Trump or the Klan or Proudboys or any number of the other POS groups who preach hate/commit hate crimes..... Oh , Wait--- they must all be Black.

I'm a Black man and I find it disgusting what these (Black) people are doing, but many BARFers; Eldritch, Desi, etc are using this as a justification for their own preconceived ideas.

Idiots come in all colors.

 

[mean dad]

For all of the racists BARFers saying that this is only a Black on Asian thing; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/atlanta-shootings-massage-parlor.html

I guess you never heard of Trump or the Klan or Proudboys or any number of the other POS groups who preach hate/commit hate crimes..... Oh , Wait--- they must all be Black.

I'm a Black man and I find it disgusting what these (Black) people are doing, but many BARFers; Eldritch, Desi, etc are using this as a justification for their own preconceived ideas.

Idiots come in all colors.

A dollar says he's a proud conservative voter who disbelieves the election results.

 

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Two dollars says he’s not eligible to vote

 

[Beanzy]

The Atlanta Constitution says the mass murderer is 21 years old and may have a sexual addiction (because he frequented the spas where he shot his victims).

Also the police say he was asked repeatedly if the killings were about race and he supposedly said no. See https://www.ajc.com/news/exclusive-...fore-deadly-spree/FEURWVYBEFBMJP7GLOQ6AQJ27A/

 

[Climber]

He just wanted to blame others for his failings like every other loser out there.

 

[Agent Orange]

So it was an incel killing?

 

[Climber]

He probably ran out of money for a Happy Ending and was pissed that they wouldn't still give him one.

It was their fault that he was in that condition.

 

[bojangle]

The Atlanta Constitution says the mass murderer is 21 years old and may have a sexual addiction (because he frequented the spas where he shot his victims).

Also the police say he was asked repeatedly if the killings were about race and he supposedly said no. See https://www.ajc.com/news/exclusive-...fore-deadly-spree/FEURWVYBEFBMJP7GLOQ6AQJ27A/

That sounds about right. I don't think it was a hate crime.

 

[Climber]

That sounds about right. I don't think it was a hate crime.

Seems kind of in a gray area.

How many of those women were shot because he knew them, and how many of them were shot because they were asian and worked in a massage parlor?

I don't know the details of Hate Crimes, but in my book it fits the intent, namely killing people because they fit a form and factor that he wanted to strike out against.

Personally, I'd be fine with them just slitting his throat and tossing his body into an unmarked hole in the ground.

 

[bojangle]

Seems kind of in a gray area.

How many of those women were shot because he knew them, and how many of them were shot because they were asian and worked in a massage parlor?

I don't know the details of Hate Crimes, but in my book it fits the intent, namely killing people because they fit a form and factor that he wanted to strike out against.

Personally, I'd be fine with them just slitting his throat and tossing his body into an unmarked hole in the ground.

FIFY

That these rub and tug massage places are mostly staffed by Asian women doesn't mean the murders were motivated by race.

 

[mean dad]

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[AbsolutEnduser]

Poster "mean dad" points out that the poster of that tweet is the "suspect" arrested for the event in ATL.

Oh wow. He actually posted this..?