Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[tzrider]

Could be either, couldn’t it?

Generally hate crimes are charged not when the parties are different colors, but when there is some indication that the motive was, well, hate.

 

[Eldritch]

Could be either, couldn’t it?

Generally hate crimes are charged not when the parties are different colors, but when there is some indication that the motive was, well, hate.

But what about black on black crime?

 

[bojangle]

I'm most concerned about extra terrestrial on homo sapien crime. It keeps me up at night worrying about being anal probed. Unfortunately, there are no reliable stats on this most concerning issue.

 

[tzrider]

But what about black on black crime?

What about kangaroo on kangaroo crime?

 

[Eldritch]

What about kangaroo on kangaroo crime?

Exactly. You can speculate a great deal on the mind of the criminal, but the ability to quantify it is limited at best.

 

[jdhu]

Why should schools have slots allocated for Asians?

The greater question is; "Why should any institution have slots allocated by Ethnicity, Gender, Age, etc...?"

If that's the case, that America should have institutional quotas then where's the Asians in the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS, Hollywood, Fortune 500 Boardrooms, etc...?

+1. The (off topic) issue of AA is really interesting. I firmly dislike the idea of categorizing based on race. I do keep in mind that AA proponents are well-meaning; it's not that they want fewer Asians in university, but they want to promote diversity, help "underrepresented" groups, etc.

But, bottomline is a policy based on race. Each person is an individual (duh). It is of no solace to a rejected Asian applicant that the slot was given to a ________ person. To this applicant, he/she was denied entry despite favorable numbers, because of his/her race. I don't mind a "holistic" approach to admissions, provided it's not race-based.

I've had well-meaning BARFers tell me that Asian per capita income, Asian enrollment rates, etc. are prima facie evidence that Asians do not face discrimination (while ignoring admissions data such as in this thread). It's a bit frustrating to hear, but I know from a well-meaning place.

 

[Eldritch]

+1. The (off topic) issue of AA is really interesting. I firmly dislike the idea of categorizing based on race. I do keep in mind that AA proponents are well-meaning; it's not that they want fewer Asians in university, but they want to promote diversity, help "underrepresented" groups, etc.

But, bottomline is a policy based on race. Each person is an individual (duh). It is of no solace to a rejected Asian applicant that the slot was given to a ________ person. To this applicant, he/she was denied entry despite favorable numbers, because of his/her race. I don't mind a "holistic" approach to admissions, provided it's not race-based.

I've had well-meaning BARFers tell me that Asian per capita income, Asian enrollment rates, etc. are prima facie evidence that Asians do not face discrimination (while ignoring admissions data such as in this thread). It's a bit frustrating to hear, but I know from a well-meaning place.

In France it is illegal to track people based on Race. They stand together as Frenchmen. This is how Americans should behave. Race is a lie, it does not exist, it is bad science from an old lie perpetuated by the worst sorts of men. The more these false labels are assigned value, the longer we are divided by them to the benefit of those who have the agency to pull societies strings.

 

[tzrider]

Exactly. You can speculate a great deal on the mind of the criminal, but the ability to quantify it is limited at best.

It may be limited, but it's commonly done. Look no further than the various degrees of murder. Premeditation often leaves tangible clues. So can hate.

 

[mrzuzzo]

In France it is illegal to track people based on Race. They stand together as Frenchmen. This is how Americans should behave. Race is a lie, it does not exist, it is bad science from an old lie perpetuated by the worst sorts of men. The more these false labels are assigned value, the longer we are divided by them to the benefit of those who have the agency to pull societies strings.

completely agree. A lot of European nations are like this, not just France.

Looks like they caught another one of the scumbags - Second Suspect Arrested in Fatal Oakland Assault, Robbery of 75-Year-Old Asian Man

 

[KooLaid]

completely agree. A lot of European nations are like this, not just France.

Looks like they caught another one of the scumbags - Second Suspect Arrested in Fatal Oakland Assault, Robbery of 75-Year-Old Asian Man

One less racist hate crime committing turd off the streets. I hope PG&E keeps the power grid fully energized for this one.

 

[Blankpage]

completely agree. A lot of European nations are like this, not just France.

Looks like they caught another one of the scumbags - Second Suspect Arrested in Fatal Oakland Assault, Robbery of 75-Year-Old Asian Man

Ho’s property was found on Britton at the time of his arrest. Britton is being charged with second-degree robbery, first and second-degree burglary, receiving stolen property and unlawful driving or taking of a vehicle.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...assault-robbery-75-year-old-asian-man-pak-ho/

They're giving him a pass on the murder?

 

[Eldritch]

It may be limited, but it's commonly done. Look no further than the various degrees of murder. Premeditation often leaves tangible clues. So can hate.

All of that ambiguity in the criminal justice system makes me very uncomfortable. It is in that grey area where most abuse of systems tends to lay.

 

[GAJ]

I don't think Asians, in terms of discrimination, have the same barriers for housing (redlining), loans or workplace advancement that Blacks do but I'm hardly well versed in the kinds of discrimination Asians face.

 

[jdhu]

I don't think Asians, in terms of discrimination, have the same barriers for housing (redlining), loans or workplace advancement that Blacks do but I'm hardly well versed in the kinds of discrimination Asians face.

Can only speak to my own experience, and cannot speak about members of other races.

To me, the racism Asians face tends to be more casual and insidious. I've been called "gook, chink," etc back in junior/high school, but much more pervasive (and I think frustrating) is the hidden, casual racism.

Silly examples:

1. Having people tell me I should go across the room and talk to the only Asian girl on scene.

2. Professors confusing my name with Asian classmate, for the whole quarter.

3. People explaining to me that Asians are naturally more studious, and thus, it's fair that schools discriminate against Asians, to prevent "unfair" advantage/numbers.

4. Bamboo ceiling -- This one I haven't dealt with (being self-employed), but have definitely heard from friends that Asian workers are treated as competent and obedient, but peak at middle management.

Etc.

 

[AbsolutEnduser]

I don't think Asians, in terms of discrimination, have the same barriers for housing (redlining), loans or workplace advancement that Blacks do but I'm hardly well versed in the kinds of discrimination Asians face.

Can only speak to my own experience, and cannot speak about members of other races.

To me, the racism Asians face tends to be more casual and insidious. I've been called "gook, chink," etc back in junior/high school, but much more pervasive (and I think frustrating) is the hidden, casual racism.

Silly examples:

1. Having people tell me I should go across the room and talk to the only Asian girl on scene.

2. Professors confusing my name with Asian classmate, for the whole quarter.

3. People explaining to me that Asians are naturally more studious, and thus, it's fair that schools discriminate against Asians, to prevent "unfair" advantage/numbers.

4. Bamboo ceiling -- This one I haven't dealt with (being self-employed), but have definitely heard from friends that Asian workers are treated as competent and obedient, but peak at middle management.

Etc.

Those are a lot of lines, and bad experiences in school, but none of that is redlining...

I've been called "a Westerner" at work BTW. Talk about hidden, casual racism. No, I'm not complaining and they didn't mean anything, but JFYI stereotypes exist everywhere.

 

[jdhu]

Those are a lot of lines, and bad experiences in school, but none of that is redlining...

I've been called "a Westerner" at work BTW. Talk about hidden, casual racism. No, I'm not complaining and they didn't mean anything, but JFYI stereotypes exist everywhere.

The emboldened....duh?

I'll paste the response I see often, and probably agree with...

Bias against whites, as the dominant race (in numbers and historically) is not comparable to that experienced by others.

 

[lizard]

Can only speak to my own experience, and cannot speak about members of other races.

To me, the racism Asians face tends to be more casual and insidious. I've been called "gook, chink," etc back in junior/high school, but much more pervasive (and I think frustrating) is the hidden, casual racism.

Silly examples:

1. Having people tell me I should go across the room and talk to the only Asian girl on scene.

2. Professors confusing my name with Asian classmate, for the whole quarter.

3. People explaining to me that Asians are naturally more studious, and thus, it's fair that schools discriminate against Asians, to prevent "unfair" advantage/numbers.

4. Bamboo ceiling -- This one I haven't dealt with (being self-employed), but have definitely heard from friends that Asian workers are treated as competent and obedient, but peak at middle management.

Etc.

+1 on Items 1, 3 and 4.

 

[Eldritch]

I don't think Asians, in terms of discrimination, have the same barriers for housing (redlining), loans or workplace advancement that Blacks do but I'm hardly well versed in the kinds of discrimination Asians face.

That is just not the case Chinatowns exist for a reason. People think they are cute places to visit now, but when they began, most were immigrant ghettoes.

Those are a lot of lines, and bad experiences in school, but none of that is redlining...

I've been called "a Westerner" at work BTW. Talk about hidden, casual racism. No, I'm not complaining and they didn't mean anything, but JFYI stereotypes exist everywhere.

Redlining without question has effected Asian communities.

 

[bikewanker]

In France it is illegal to track people based on Race. They stand together as Frenchmen. This is how Americans should behave. Race is a lie, it does not exist, it is bad science from an old lie perpetuated by the worst sorts of men. The more these false labels are assigned value, the longer we are divided by them to the benefit of those who have the agency to pull societies strings.

This is why I try not to check ethnicity boxes on paperwork, most of which is government generated.

 

[GAJ]

That is just not the case Chinatowns exist for a reason. People think they are cute places to visit now, but when they began, most were immigrant ghettoes.

There have always been enclaves from different Countries/areas and usually the first to arrive are hardly wealthy.

Well, maybe the Cubans in Miami being the exception.

Did not know about Asian redlining for housing though my sister in law has a house built in the 20s and the covenants are still on the books though, obviously not enforced.

No Asians, Blacks, Jews allowed back then among other groups that I forget.