Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[tzrider]

Well, that's a pretty meaningless stat.

 

[Climber]

Number of applicants is a red herring.

The issue staring society in the face is that there’s a different admissions criteria that must be met based on ethnicity.

No it's not.

But you seem to have an agenda so any additional comments would be pointless

 

[NSR500]

Even if you chose to omit that stat, the data on the table is still terrible against Asians.

"65% of the American population have a lower barrier to entry for opportunity than the 6.5%, and that same 65% are the main perpetrators of violent crime against the 6.5%."

 

[Climber]

Even if you chose to omit that stat, the data on the table is still terrible against Asians.

"65% of the American population have a lower barrier to entry for opportunity than the 6.5%, and that same 65% are the main perpetrators of violent crime against the 6.5%."

I think that the barrier is that a large number of asians are applying and they're exceeding the number that the school(s) have alotted for asians is likely the case.

Is it fair? Depends on who you ask.

I understand where you're coming from, but by being obstinate about a key factor that puts the numbers in perspective (and a valid point) you're not helping your cause.

 

[NSR500]

No it's not.

But you seem to have an agenda so any additional comments would be pointless

Everyone posting in this thread has an "Agenda". I look at the data and see three things:
- Asians are more likely to be victimized in a violent crime by 65% of the population (Whites & Blacks)
- That same 65% have higher access to opportunity. Whites via merit and Blacks via Affirmative Action
- Affirmative action is more likely to hurt Asians than help Asians

So to the title of this thread; "Anti-Asian Hate Crimes", I'd say that Asians are the victims of violent crime and victims of the crime that is Affirmative Action.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/22/asian-american-admit-sat-scores/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/19/acceptance-rates-by-race/

 

[NSR500]

I think that the barrier is that a large number of asians are applying and they're exceeding the number that the school(s) have alotted for asians is likely the case.

Is it fair? Depends on who you ask.

I understand where you're coming from, but by being obstinate about a key factor that puts the numbers in perspective (and a valid point) you're not helping your cause.

Why should schools have slots allocated for Asians?

The greater question is; "Why should any institution have slots allocated by Ethnicity, Gender, Age, etc...?"

If that's the case, that America should have institutional quotas then where's the Asians in the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS, Hollywood, Fortune 500 Boardrooms, etc...?

 

[ScorpioVI]

Go get 'em NSR500.

I'd make your arguments too but I already have a reputation as a racist on this forum so I'll let you young'uns pick that fight.

 

[Eldritch]

Why should schools have slots allocated for Asians?

The greater question is; "Why should any institution have slots allocated by Ethnicity, Gender, Age, etc...?"

If that's the case, that America should have institutional quotas then where's the Asians in the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB, MLS, Hollywood, Fortune 500 Boardrooms, etc...?

Affirmative Action is a crime against equality and must not be allowed to be reinstated as the, "New Segregationists," are suggesting.

All people must be judged equally on the same standards, with a blind eye towards color or culture.

 

[Joshman]

Back on topic, OPD just made a second arrest for the robbery and subsequent murder of an elderly asian man: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/2nd-suspect-charged-in-attack-of-elderly-asian-man-in-oakland/

It's worth watching the KRON4 clip. They discuss the ambiguity around what's considered a hate crime. What was most striking to me was the lawyers explanation of why in some cases a "hate crime" charge isn't added.

 

[NSR500]

Affirmative Action is a crime against equality and must not be allowed to be reinstated as the, "New Segregationists," are suggesting.

All people must be judged equally on the same standards, with a blind eye towards color or culture.

I agree.

Affirmative Action is racism in the form of low expectations.

Bottom line for me comes to this:

Specific to the topic of this thread, I'd say there's enough "Anti-Asian" evidence in our society.
As for how to fix it leads into the bigger picture of ending Affirmative Action, Judging People on Merit, and having hard conversations about race, gender, age, ability, etc.
All this "Wokeness", censorship, cancel culture, political correctness, and rationalization is holding back societal progress and race relations in America.

 

[SVJ]

Affirmative Action is a crime against equality and must not be allowed to be reinstated as the, "New Segregationists," are suggesting.

All people must be judged equally on the same standards, with a blind eye towards color or culture.

Yeahhh, did you get the memo?
That whole thing about The American Dream thing is gone like a fart in the wind. We’re supposed to fight about skin color again, that’s way easier than working together and solving problems.

 

[NSR500]

Back on topic, OPD just made a second arrest for the robbery and subsequent murder of an elderly asian man: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/2nd-suspect-charged-in-attack-of-elderly-asian-man-in-oakland/

It's worth watching the KRON4 clip. They discuss the ambiguity around what's considered a hate crime. What was most striking to me was the lawyers explanation of why in some cases a "hate crime" charge isn't added.

Specific to the term "Hate Crime"; I'd like to see it dropped from society.

Let's call crime what it is, for example; Burglary = Property Crime and Murder = Violent Crime

 

[mercurial]

You know, when a bunch of thugs grab an elderly Asian person and put their hands through their pockets, that isn't a hate crime. It's just a crime (robbery.)

The amount of actual racism/racial-oriented crime against Asians, outside of a few nasty comments about kung flu, is fairly low.

 

[Agent Orange]

You know, when a bunch of thugs grab an elderly Asian person and put their hands through their pockets, that isn't a hate crime. It's just a crime (robbery.)

The amount of actual racism/racial-oriented crime against Asians, outside of a few nasty comments about kung flu, is fairly low.

Then why does the law and media spin it as a hate crime whenever a white man targets a black man? I hate using the straw man argument but suppose this was a trend of white men perpetuating crimes against the black population. BLM would be out there knocking on every mayors front door demanding justice. But because asians aren't, its getting little spotlight other than a passing mention from politicians and media outlets, just to let everyone else know they're on board. Shit ain't stopping as far as we can see. Its already caught up here in Daly City.

 

[Joshman]

Specific to the term "Hate Crime"; I'd like to see it dropped from society.

Let's call crime what it is, for example; Burglary = Property Crime and Murder = Violent Crime

I'm in agreement with the idea of taking the criminals intent out of a criminal charge.

What I was pointing out was that even legally speaking a "hate crime" doesn't have much of a standard and is somewhat at the discretion of the DA. The lawyer implied it sometimes gets used to increase the charges against someone, which is odd to me.

 

[Joshman]

You know, when a bunch of thugs grab an elderly Asian person and put their hands through their pockets, that isn't a hate crime. It's just a crime (robbery.)

The amount of actual racism/racial-oriented crime against Asians, outside of a few nasty comments about kung flu, is fairly low.

I feel this is the case as well, but with pretty ambiguous metrics on how hate crime charges are applied, it's almost impossible to really tell how many are based off racism vs opportunity.

Again though, I struggle with the idea of a hate crime as a classification in law.

 

[Climber]

Then why does the law and media spin it as a hate crime whenever a white man targets a black man? I hate using the straw man argument but suppose this was a trend of white men perpetuating crimes against the black population. BLM would be out there knocking on every mayors front door demanding justice. But because asians aren't, its getting little spotlight other than a passing mention from politicians and media outlets, just to let everyone else know they're on board. Shit ain't stopping as far as we can see. Its already caught up here in Daly City.

How many unarmed Asians have been shot in the back (or front) by police in the last year?

You're arguing apples and oranges.

I'm not saying that Asians aren't getting unfairly targeted, especially since covid, but don't malign another group that also has some valid gripes.

 

[bojangle]

Affirmative Action is a crime against equality and must not be allowed to be reinstated as the, "New Segregationists," are suggesting.

All people must be judged equally on the same standards, with a blind eye towards color or culture.

This! ^^^

Then why does the law and media spin it as a hate crime whenever a white man targets a black man? I hate using the straw man argument but suppose this was a trend of white men perpetuating crimes against the black population. BLM would be out there knocking on every mayors front door demanding justice. But because asians aren't, its getting little spotlight other than a passing mention from politicians and media outlets, just to let everyone else know they're on board. Shit ain't stopping as far as we can see. Its already caught up here in Daly City.

I've been in the LE business for 25 years. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've taken a crime report with a hate crime component.

Anecdotal, yes. Sure, hate crimes happen. I think there's a lot of media spin.

I feel this is the case as well, but with pretty ambiguous metrics on how hate crime charges are applied, it's almost impossible to really tell how many are based off racism vs opportunity.

Again though, I struggle with the idea of a hate crime as a classification in law.

In California, a hate crime is an enhancement to a "normal" crime. It's not a crime in and of itself. If a crime is motivated by hate of a protected class (often hard to know or prove) then hate crime enhancements can be charged in addition to the criminal charges. The defendant would face a higher exposure to time in sentencing.

 

[tzrider]

Then why does the law and media spin it as a hate crime whenever a white man targets a black man?

The motives of a White on Black crime may be different. We hear a fair amount about Asians being targeted by others in their community who have fewer resources. The Asian victim may be perceived as having something to steal and perhaps as being a relatively easy target.

The White on Black crimes that are classified as hate crimes aren’t usually committed to steal, but because the attacker has a prejudiced view of the victim.

 

[Eldritch]

The motives of a White on Black crime may be different. We hear a fair amount about Asians being targeted by others in their community who have fewer resources. The Asian victim may be perceived as having something to steal and perhaps as being a relatively easy target.

The White on Black crimes that are classified as hate crimes aren’t usually committed to steal, but because the attacker has a prejudiced view of the victim.

Mmm hmmm. And what about the black on white crime?