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Audi RS6 Avant Wagon

CDONA said:
Sport wagons, without anything on the roof??

I felt the need back in '86 with a Subaru Turbo wagon.
I wanted a roof line to haul sail boards, and skiing.
Down sized from a 74 Plymouth wagon that I used to haul a jet ski, and sail boards.
That rolling wreck leaked every vital fluid except battery acid. I bought it after I sold my pickup, while waiting for the Subaru.
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They all have available roof racks
 
TheRobSJ said:
Anyways. Quite a few 911s have made their original owners a profit. You’ve gotta pick the right one (and wow are there a lot of variants), treat it gently, and you’ll do just fine on resale.
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Couldn't do it. It's a driver's car and it should be driven as intended, not babied.

TheRobSJ said:
Base Carrera that you daily drove and had oil changes done at the corner garage? Not gonna do so well. Turbo S or GT car that had dealer services done? You’ll be pleasantly surprised. The general rule is that if it’s a car that isn’t usually just sitting around in dealer inventory and you gotta wait 6-24 months to buy one, there’s always going to be a good demand on the secondary market for those who don’t want to wait. But the catch is you gotta treat it gently. Those people will pay new prices for used cars, but it’s still gotta be pretty fresh. I don’t mean stick it in a bubble and never drive it. But you can’t pile a lot of miles on it and can’t thrash it on a track or wherever. Which I agree with you wholeheartedly, and it begs the question…what the hell did you buy it for in the first place then if you’re not going to experience what the car can do? If you just want a short term investment, just get a CD or put the money in the S&P 500 or something like that. If you only going to once in a blue moon, may as well just Turo one for a weekend and invest all that money elsewhere. I see a lot of these things get treated like an expensive Patek Philippe watch or something. They buy, drive it to a cars and coffee a few times a year for the flex, then flip it after a year or two later with hardly any miles on them and get all their money back.

I still see 991 series 911 GT3s (not even the GT3RS) trading for good money. And that car is a full generation old. The 992 series car is (arguably) a far superior 911 in just about every way.
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If I'm not able to sell it for a tidy profit over what I had to pay to get it new, it's still not an investment IMO. Even making my money back to sell it is still not an investment and not worth it. Like I said, the majority of cars sold today are not investments. :2cents :dunno

TheRobSJ said:
Check this out…

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/listing/379985246

Almost 10 years old, and that’s what that damn thing sold for new.
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And when/if it actually sells for that, okay then. Until then, they're just asking that much and, as you pointed out, the best case scenario is that the seller can get back what they would've paid for MSRP when they bought it. Still not what I'd consider to be an investment just because you made your money back on it a decade later. YMMV...
 
Kornholio said:
If I'm not able to sell it for a tidy profit over what I had to pay to get it new, it's still not an investment IMO. Even making my money back to sell it is still not an investment and not worth it. Like I said, the majority of cars sold today are not investments. :2cents :dunno
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Ok well maybe think of it as being able to have a cool car and drive it (a little bit), and not get hurt financially by breaking even. An overglorified free rental let’s say. If you go a couple years, factor in the insurance, tags, and maintenance that goes with it, you’re lucky to net break even. There are a very few handful of cars where you quickly flip it for a shitload more than you paid for it, assuming you got it at sticker. There have been plenty of assholes breaking their contract and immediately flipping the Cybertruck for $75-100k profits. Or actual limited models like a 911 GT3RS, with people doing a quick flip and clearing well over $100k.

My favorite thing is when I catch someone trying to have their cake and eat it. Bought the cool flashy car, drove it some miles, and tried to keep it from being devalued by doing odometer fraud. They think they won’t get caught, but don’t seem to know that while miles count off in the thing they can see (the gauge cluster), but also counts off in places they can’t. But we can as soon as they’re dumb enough to bring it in to a dealer for anything. I wonder what that does to that resale value they’re clinging on to when it shows that their warranty got voided for tampering/non conformity.
 
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TheRobSJ said:
Ok well maybe think of it as being able to have a cool car and drive it (a little bit), and not get hurt financially by breaking even. An overglorified free rental let’s say. If you go a couple years, factor in the insurance, tags, and maintenance that goes with it, you’re lucky to net break even. There are a very few handful of cars where you quickly flip it for a shitload more than you paid for it, assuming you got it at sticker. There have been plenty of assholes breaking their contract and immediately flipping the Cybertruck for $75-100k profits. Or actual limited models like a 911 GT3RS, with people doing a quick flip and clearing well over $100k.
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Is anyone really paying less than MSRP on a high-end vehicle? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're paying a serious markup to get it.

TheRobSJ said:
My favorite thing is when I catch someone trying to have their cake and eat it. Bought the cool flashy car, drove it some miles, and tried to keep it from being devalued by doing odometer fraud. They think they won’t get caught, but don’t seem to know that while miles count off in the thing they can see (the gauge cluster), but also counts off in places they can’t. But we can as soon as they’re dumb enough to bring it in to a dealer for anything. I wonder what that does to that resale value they’re clinging on to when it shows that their warranty got voided for tampering/non conformity.
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Perhaps too much of a deep cut reference but...

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When I was working with CARB back in the day, it was always comical seeing the "ingenious" ways that assholes (yes, I'll die on that soapbox) would try to defeat or bypass their aftertreatment systems not understanding that it's not the 70s anymore and everything on a class eight vehicle isn't strictly mechanical in the modern era. Literally everything they did could be electronically traced even when they think they're being clever by not making any changes physically. :dunno :laughing
 
Kornholio said:
Is anyone really paying less than MSRP on a high-end vehicle? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're paying a serious markup to get it.



Perhaps too much of a deep cut reference but...
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Less than MSRP? Well I do have a brand new Cullinan in stock for $85k off sticker. But that’s not really one of the kind of vehicles you’d really try to “flip” after a year and not lose your shirt.

The way the game works is to be an established customer with a brand. Let’s just take the most notorious one to “get in” with, Ferrari. You initially have to buy some of the meh cars to get in their good graces. Those cars (in their current lineup that would be the Portofino and Roma), are not really in the highest demand, so they depreciate like a rock immediately. But once you’ve lost your ass on a couple, they let you start ordering the more desirable ones. For MSRP. Keep it for a year, maybe less, flip it and make a profit. Rinse and repeat. It’s like printing money.

Paying big time markup would be for the football player that just got their signing bonus or IPO techbro who just can’t wait the time it takes to play the games with them, and just will buy a one year old preowned that the aforementioned flipper recently sold back to that dealer.


Love the Sgt. Bilko reference. I make one at least once a year. Never gets old.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Less than MSRP? Well I do have a brand new Cullinan in stock for $85k off sticker. But that’s not really one of the kind of vehicles you’d really try to “flip” after a year and not lose your shirt.

The way the game works is to be an established customer with a brand. Let’s just take the most notorious one to “get in” with, Ferrari. You initially have to buy some of the meh cars to get in their good graces. Those cars (in their current lineup that would be the Portofino and Roma), are not really in the highest demand, so they depreciate like a rock immediately. But once you’ve lost your ass on a couple, they let you start ordering the more desirable ones. For MSRP. Keep it for a year, maybe less, flip it and make a profit. Rinse and repeat. It’s like printing money.

Paying big time markup would be for the football player that just got their signing bonus or IPO techbro who just can’t wait the time it takes to play the games with them, and just will buy a one year old preowned that the aforementioned flipper recently sold back to that dealer.


Love the Sgt. Bilko reference. I make one at least once a year. Never gets old.
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yeah - lot of benefit to making into the inner circle. built in network of fanatics and collectors (buying and selling), and being on the ‘call’ list. i’ve picked up a couple that way - best one by far, phone rings, dude says ‘you have to get down here right now’. a collector just took delivery of a new toy, needed garage space, so was parting with the car he drove down to take delivery. less than 300 miles on it. dude didn’t give two shits about the price. that particular one is currently worth north of 150% of what i paid almost 10 years ago (including the cost of the performance mods i’ve since done). get tons of unsolicited offers on it, but it’s not going anywhere. ever. good buddy of mine is also a collector (over 20 in his stable). tracks about half of them. agrees with me - i’d be a fool to sell it. WRT daily driver, i don’t drive daily, but when i do, >90% of the time, it’s that car.
 
Well I can tell you for sure that I'd never own a Ferrari having to play that silly ass game. I can't believe a car is so important to anyone that they'd be willing to do that shit. :nchantr
 
It’s not any different than folks buying motorcycles that are basically the same as those found on a WSB grid and never riding them in any such manner.
Not everyone is going to track their 911’s. Driving them on the street anywhere close to their limits would be highly illegal with severe criminal charges if caught.

I wouldn’t feel the need to push a 911 Turbo S to its limit but would be happy to own and drive one. I’d never buy such car as a daily driver even if capable since there are other cars much more suited. Wouldn’t think $200k+ cars are being bought buy your average Joe’s who cares much about resale value.
 
Oh I'm certain they're just like the HD crowd that constantly tout how much their hog's "hold their resale value". Come to think of it, that sounds like the same bullshit Kool-Aid Tacoma owners drink. :laughing

Why the hell does anyone buy a non-elite vehicle thinking it's going to retain or even increase in value in a few years? Do you really believe anything a salesperson tells you and/or what you read in your Reddit echo-chamber forums? :rolleyes I wouldn't even do that with an elite vehicle but I guess I just don't subscribe to the "printing money" theory. :2cents
 
i’m an ex tacoma owner. drove one for 14 years and sold it for almost half what i paid for it when new so there is a bit of truth to the bs. certainly not an investment but put a few thousand bucks more in my pocket than had i been selling a 14 year or ford ranger.
but then within that 14 years the prices of new trucks had jumped considerably which you would think would impact the used truck market also.
 
The perceived superiority of the product notwithstanding, the market for vehicles is always driven by whatever people think something is worth. Whether or not that's based in reality is a different story.
 
Johndicezx9 said:
I thought the RS6 had the same underpinnings/motor as the Lamborghini Urus, but $100k cheaper. :dunno
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It does. VW Group’s MLB Evo platform. And it spawns quite a good chunk of the group’s models.

MSB platform, which is very similar, underpins the Panamera and the two Bentley cars.

The VAG 4.0L V8 is used in both platforms. The Urus gets the hottest version of it at 666hp And both platforms can also carry the gigantic Bentley W12 engine as well.
 
My buddy had a '17 S6 with the 4.0 that was pushing well over 700HP with just a cold air intake, cat-back system and a tune. Absolute beast.
 
Blankpage said:
Can’t embed
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If you can't even embed you're no match for the supreme craftsmanship and intelligence required to operate and even much more, service , German equipment don't you think??

:D

[YouTube]r2DWShxuPcU[/YouTube]
 
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From a mobile no less.

If give me just two seconds I can Google even more and find you a 100 year old mechanic that says a Toyota from 1992 is the best car, too!
 
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