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School me: AWD, mid SUV, mid to high end, good mpg

Pop Kenyons.....Historical. :cool
 
budman said:
Pop Kenyons.....Historical. :cool
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Dude, it was the best job a 17-year-old could ask for. I worked at House of Honda for a month, and then they poached me :laughing Worked after school and Saturdays as a senior, and then most Saturdays the first two years I was at Cal, plus as many hours as I could get in the summers. Worked Parts for the first two years, and Sales for the last. I met some cool people, and learned a lot. And, parts for cost + 10% :thumbup This was a BFD for a part-time kid in the pre-internet days, where discounted OEM was unheard of, and discounted accessories were few and far between.

Starting in the early '90s, a bunch of the alumni, and assorted sales guys from various distributors (Rocky, Bryson Baker, Hap Jones, etc.) would meet for dinner once a month at Harry's in Mountain View. When that closed, we moved to Harry's on Saratoga. And when that closed, we moved to Harry's in Redwood City. We pretty much shut it down when Jim Kenyon (Pop's brother), who worked in the service dept, passed a few years back. A number of us still get together a couple of times a year, though. Good times, good times.
 
Update
We went to the Lexus dealer today as the car we had a deposit on came in last week.
Met the salesman, checked it out for a little bit, went for a test drive, came back from the test drive and he started pushing us to sign the paperwork then when I noticed about an 8-in scratch in the hood, fairly deep, wtf?!? Someone had clearly been over the car to wash it, grease the tires, tint the windows and do the other BS the dealer does pre-delivery, yet there it was, bold as day, a big deep scratch through the hood.
I can't tell if it was all the way through the clear or into the paint or what, needless to say I wasn't happy, and the salesman seemed surprised as well.
It was late and he needed to talk to his detailers and manager about how they were going to address that, needless to say I told him I wasn't signing anything until I knew how that defect was handled and seeing how well it was handled.
Either way I'm super bummed. If it's to the point they have to repaint the hood, I know it will never be as good as the factory paint match, if they wind up cutting and buffing it out then I know a large amount of clear coat was removed.
Either way it's a defect that devalues the car, how much is what we will find out and have to negotiate on.
 
About 20% of new autos have some sort of lot damage by the time they're sold, I read awhile back in an industry rag. If you take this unit, make sure to document the scratch with plenty of pics if it's to be repainted. Paintwork on the hood is the worst because it's usually assumed to be a front end collision. If you can feel the scratch with a finger nail, it's not coming out with a detail. No amount of paint correction is gonna fix that permanently.

If this car is a lease (and not a purchase), forget what I said above. If it's a personal ownership, I'd not want paintwork on a new car. No way...having been doing this part time for over 20 years, I stay away from paintwork vehicles on the resale market. There's enough clean ones with patience and without know how the damage came about, I want nothing to do with speculating.

So....document, get a signed statement from the dealer if you take it.
 
Thanks Holeshot.
I realized too late I should have taken pictures.
You can definitely feel it with a fingernail and it was to be a cash purchase.

Crap .
 
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augustiron said:
I will add, the Nori Green is a spectacular color on this car.
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Yes it is. When I first saw a Lexus wearing that green, I was amazed out how well that looked. I typically don’t gravitate to green cars, but that one was a winner. There’s an Aston color called Minotaur Green which is a black-green situation that drastically changes between shade and sun.


Holeshot said:
About 20% of new autos have some sort of lot damage by the time they're sold, I read awhile back in an industry rag. If you take this unit, make sure to document the scratch with plenty of pics if it's to be repainted. Paintwork on the hood is the worst because it's usually assumed to be a front end collision.
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That $3M hypercar I mentioned in the other thread? Despite being crate shipped from Europe, wearing full shipping protection, and a small team of manufacturer reps babysitting it the entire trip…it got delivered to our store with a chip in the door. All the way through to the gel coat. Nobody wanted to chance touching up, so it was a respray on the whole door with no blend to avoid painting any more panels than they had to. Seeing as how the paint color was a $60k option, a lot of bullshit was involved to get the right paint to the body shop. Manufacturer rep supervised the process at the body shop. Car got back to our store and everyone inspects the door. Yeah you can’t tell where the chip was. And yeah the color match is dead on (rare to see these days). But the rep asked me while I was looking at it what I thought, and I said “yeah I can tell it’s been painted…it’s California paint. There’s not much you can do to hide a CA respray.” They just have a somewhat satin-ish sheen to it, that actually dulls over time a bit, because of the CARB required waterborne paint.
 
So since my dealer is in NV can they use the proper toxic earth/human killing paint for proper results?
 
probably not. the Good Stuff might not even be available anymore for bean counter reasons.... no point making anthing other than the Most Used version. same reason CA specific emissions vehicles aren't really a thing anymore, they all are.
 
TheRobSJ said:
Yes it is. When I first saw a Lexus wearing that green, I was amazed out how well that looked. I typically don’t gravitate to green cars, but that one was a winner. There’s an Aston color called Minotaur Green which is a black-green situation that drastically changes between shade and sun.




That $3M hypercar I mentioned in the other thread? Despite being crate shipped from Europe, wearing full shipping protection, and a small team of manufacturer reps babysitting it the entire trip…it got delivered to our store with a chip in the door. All the way through to the gel coat. Nobody wanted to chance touching up, so it was a respray on the whole door with no blend to avoid painting any more panels than they had to. Seeing as how the paint color was a $60k option, a lot of bullshit was involved to get the right paint to the body shop. Manufacturer rep supervised the process at the body shop. Car got back to our store and everyone inspects the door. Yeah you can’t tell where the chip was. And yeah the color match is dead on (rare to see these days). But the rep asked me while I was looking at it what I thought, and I said “yeah I can tell it’s been painted…it’s California paint. There’s not much you can do to hide a CA respray.” They just have a somewhat satin-ish sheen to it, that actually dulls over time a bit, because of the CARB required waterborne paint.
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Good example of how manufacturing can differ depending on location. I wonder though - given the high price of the car and paint, and owner's likely meticulous needs, couldn't they have just painted a new door at the original plant and shipped it separately for replacement? Or would it have been too risky that the new door would also arrive with damage, so it was better to paint on-location?
 
Update
Spoke to the dealership today, their detailers looked at the scratch and it turned out just to be tape residue from the packing protective tape that was on the vehicle during shipping and was not adequately removed.
 
augustiron said:
Update
Spoke to the dealership today, their detailers looked at the scratch and it turned out just to be tape residue from the packing protective tape that was on the vehicle during shipping and was not adequately removed.
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:laughing:thumbup
 
Dealership detailers definitely don't display due diligence.
 
TheRobSJ said:
There’s not much you can do to hide a CA respray.” They just have a somewhat satin-ish sheen to it, that actually dulls over time a bit, because of the CARB required waterborne paint.
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Ugh. Why not send it out of state to fix? Or ship in acrylic paint on the DL...Agreed: CA paint sucks. Mainly the clear that sucks...

auntiebling said:
probably not. the Good Stuff might not even be available anymore for bean counter reasons.... no point making anthing other than the Most Used version. same reason CA specific emissions vehicles aren't really a thing anymore, they all are.
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Acrylic out of state from all I know. CA's water based.

augustiron said:
Update
Spoke to the dealership today, their detailers looked at the scratch and it turned out just to be tape residue from the packing protective tape that was on the vehicle during shipping and was not adequately removed.
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Good news. I'd make sure to confirm (in an email) that the vehicle has no "paintwork". Use that term specifically; it's a dealer term they'll know and is well defined. I don't trust that they didn't come up with an excuse given you could feel the scratch yourself with your nail. I'd also ask to have then show you the thing wasn't sanded a ton w/ a paint gauge. That you said you could feel the scratch would have me triple checking them. IMO and for certain, IME.

You're kinda far from me, but I do have my backup paint gauge you can borrow if you want.
 
NorCalAthlete said:
Good example of how manufacturing can differ depending on location. I wonder though - given the high price of the car and paint, and owner's likely meticulous needs, couldn't they have just painted a new door at the original plant and shipped it separately for replacement? Or would it have been too risky that the new door would also arrive with damage, so it was better to paint on-location?
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It was considered I imagine. But probably still best to paint on location. Not for fear of damage, but for the color match. I’m sure they test sprayed something maybe a few times and then compared to the car to make sure the color match was spot on.
 
Update:

New 23 NX350h picked up today. Nori green, base model.

Stoked, except had the first disappointment today at pickup going over all the tech with the tech expert....

Lexus, why the hell did you decide not to put 2 user memory seat controls onto a $45k car in 2023?!?!

Our 2004 Lexus gx470 has them for chrissakes!!!

Bummed, but should have asked earlier, but wtf?!?
 
augustiron said:
Update:

New 23 NX350h picked up today. Nori green, base model.

Stoked, except had the first disappointment today at pickup going over all the tech with the tech expert....

Lexus, why the hell did you decide not to put 2 user memory seat controls onto a $45k car in 2023?!?!

Our 2004 Lexus gx470 has them for chrissakes!!!

Bummed, but should have asked earlier, but wtf?!?
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That feature booted out a lot of contenders when my wife got her 2019 CX5 GTR Turbo.

It's a must have in my view when a car is shared.
 
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