Slow riding practice tips?

[Gnarly Cranium]

Nah, just about anyone besides you would be welcome to start a PLP thread there.

Except they would probably call it "low-speed drills" instead.

 

[Tydive]

Except they would probably call it "low-speed drills" instead.

Great, that's exactly what this thread needs.. LSD.

 

[beginner]

No. Time in sport is NOT equal to skill. Practicing without expert coaching will see you reinforce bad habits.

I'm going to do the best I can without expert coaching. Some times I get lucky pick up a useful tip online. Some things can be speeded up with disciplined practice. Other things just take their time to kick in, especially with the human motorbalance system. Other sports I've done feel similar. When I get to 5 years I see if I deserve to stop calling myself a beginner. 10 years is a typical human time frame for learning something well.

Of course we support practice. This is a riding safety site

Support could include allowing discussion.

It's your assumptions and bad advice that is the issue, not the actual practice. How are you not getting that?

Cite one instance that concerns you.

Time for another session before dark. Last year I couldn't navigate a figure 8 in 4 parking spaces slower than 1st gear idle speed. Earlier today I discovered that's changed. I can get around at half that speed so time to make a video and see what it looks like.

 

[froride1]

I'm going to do the best I can without expert coaching. Some times I get lucky pick up a useful tip online. Some things can be speeded up with disciplined practice. Other things just take their time to kick in, especially with the human motorbalance system. Other sports I've done feel similar. When I get to 5 years I see if I deserve to stop calling myself a beginner. 10 years is a typical human time frame for learning something well.Support could include allowing discussion.Cite one instance that concerns you.
Time for another session before dark. Last year I couldn't navigate a figure 8 in 4 parking spaces slower than 1st gear idle speed. Earlier today I discovered that's changed. I can get around at half that speed so time to make a video and see what it looks like.

You have the answer to your question in the same post. You clearly pulled the 10 years to be really good at something out of your ass. That is complete crap. Show me one statistic, study or anything that proves that. Not your self imposed learning curve.

 

[froride1]

To prove the fact it doesn't take 10 years to learn something well, I learned to walk in only two years and was a bonified expert by 10 years old! Hell, I can even come to a stop and walk backwards without falling over most of the time.

 

[Gnarly Cranium]

Great, that's exactly what this thread needs.. LSD.

YES. PRECISELY.

 

[Tydive]

Cite one instance that concerns you.

Originally Posted by beginner
"If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%. I can't prove that the practice time would reduce crashes on the road but I think it would".

This post was where you lost me. Just ask yourself if you are GUESSING or KNOW from experience. If guessing, state it as a question.

Or just reread any of Enchanters posts, without your agenda to "be right" and it's pretty clearly spelled out what is wrong with the communication methods you are using.

Oh, and your time estimates for skill development do sound like somebody with either amazingly high standards or a learning disability. As well as being an example of pulling numbers out of your butt.

Enjoy your ride

 

[Roadstergal]

If Bubba had restricted his riding to doing only figure 8s in a parking lot, he would have 100% fewer embarassing mugshots.

 

[R1-Limited]

If Bubba had restricted his riding to doing only figure 8s in a parking lot, he would have 100% fewer embarassing mugshots.

Statistically that is not true.

I have no way to prove that, but I thought it was pretty cool to say

 

[beginner]

You have the answer to your question in the same post. You clearly pulled the 10 years to be really good at something out of your ass. That is complete crap. Show me one statistic, study or anything that proves that. Not your self imposed learning curve.

10 years is a number I run into regularly in trades and sports. Sometimes there is a prodigy who learns faster, but 10 years is a good number for reaching a physical peak in some skill. The peak will be higher for some than others. In the mean time If someone believes the highest accomplishment comes in months or a year may be that's what they end up with. Why aim low?

Originally Posted by beginner
"If suddenly every rider in North America spent 50% of their moving time in a parking lot the fatality and serious injury rate would fall by almost 50%. I can't prove that the practice time would reduce crashes on the road but I think it would".

This post was where you lost me. Just ask yourself if you are GUESSING or KNOW from experience. If guessing, state it as a question.

How about intuitively obvious? I've spent some time in the parking lot in the last couple years. I've dropped the bike a number of times practicing and rode it home. If a million randomly selected riders spent an hour in a parking lot maneuvering at low speed how many will crash and die? May be 0.01%, may be less--not very many. Put those same riders on the pubic roads for an hour where they would normally ride. How many will die? Probably several. If spending part of my riding time in a parking lot might save some lives I'm happy to help, especially if it's my life.

Oh, and your time estimates for skill development do sound like somebody with either amazingly high standards or a learning disability.

High yes, amazingly high, no.

Here is a slow ride move I've wanted to do for 2 years Today I discovered it's starting to be possible, a figure 8 slower than 1st year idle speed. Hopefully it will be prettier in a few months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xh81gDH9lM

 

[revnort]

Here is a slow ride move I've wanted to do for 2 years Today I discovered it's starting to be possible, a figure 8 slower than 1st year idle speed. Hopefully it will be prettier in a few months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xh81gDH9lM

Please enlighten us on why on earth this is useful in everyday riding. Many of these exercises are actually useful, quickstops, swerves etc. What you have demonstrated is useless except for balance. I practice balance at every stop light and stop sign daily. How would perfecting this move help me to be a better rider?

 

[UDRider]

I've spent some time in the parking lot in the last couple years. I've dropped the bike a number of times practicing and rode it home. If a million randomly selected riders spent an hour in a parking lot maneuvering at low speed how many will crash and die? May be 0.01%, may be less--not very many. Put those same riders on the pubic roads for an hour where they would normally ride. How many will die? Probably several. If spending part of my riding time in a parking lot might save some lives I'm happy to help, especially if it's my life.

So your argument is if x riders spent y time in the parking lot there will be less injuries then if x riders spent the same amount of time on the street at higher speed. No shit. They can also spent the same time watching TV and eating twinkies, then injuries as a result of motorcycle accident would be 0%! So to follow your "logic" the obvious solution is not to ride a motorcycle!

 

[R1-Limited]

I once saw a video on how Micheal Jorden used to practice shots with his eyes closed. I then watched how Jacki Chan could block a punch with his eyes closed then read about Chuck Norris With is eyes closed was able to stop a bullet while blocking a round house wind mill super elbow thrust kill blow.

So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,
So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,
So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,
So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,
So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,
So I tried riding 25 with my eyes closed,

 

[wingnutthehutt]

I can't wait to see how many more posts there in this thread once I get home. It seems like just yesterday that I was reading the last thread this...person...started.


See how I didn't violate TOS there? I have lots of practice.

 

[beginner]

Please enlighten us on why on earth this is useful in everyday riding. Many of these exercises are actually useful, quickstops, swerves etc. What you have demonstrated is useless except for balance. I practice balance at every stop light and stop sign daily. How would perfecting this move help me to be a better rider?

Everybody who rides a bike is encouraged to be good at slow riding. For me, it improves my feel for lean angles close to zero degrees and improves my use of the clutch.

So your argument is if x riders spent y time in the parking lot there will be less injuries then if x riders spent the same amount of time on the street at higher speed. No shit. They can also spent the same time watching TV and eating twinkies, then injuries as a result of motorcycle accident would be 0%! So to follow your "logic" the obvious solution is not to ride a motorcycle!

New riders have a lot to learn about handling the bike, why not learn those lessons in a place where a serious crash is unlikely? If developing skills becomes part of the experience then more time will be spent in PLP situations. The PLP time reduces serious injuries because it's a low risk place to ride. The skills would probably make most riders safer on the street than the would otherwise be. That last point is guesswork but I'd rather take the risks of having skills than not having them.

 

[revnort]

Everybody who rides a bike is encouraged to be good at slow riding. For me, it improves my feel for lean angles close to zero degrees and improves my use of the clutch.

By who and why? You have taken this slow riding to an extreme, where did you get these ideas? There is no doubt some of these exercises are useful, but coupled with actual experience outside of the parking lot.

What I was asking you is how would that drill in particular make me or you safer? Zero degree lean angles? What you are learning is only useful for doing more parking lot exercises. How is this applicable to REAL WORLD riding safety? What real world riding situations can you imagine this being useful for?

 

[beginner]

By who and why? You have taken this slow riding to an extreme, where did you get these ideas? There is no doubt some of these exercises are useful, but coupled with actual experience outside of the parking lot.

What I was asking you is how would that drill in particular make me or you safer? Zero degree lean angles? What you are learning is only useful for doing more parking lot exercises. How is this applicable to REAL WORLD riding safety? What real world riding situations can you imagine this being useful for?

The idea is to figure out which exercises you might benefit from and do those. May be there aren't any. Why hang out in a thread about parking lot practice if it's not relevent to your riding?

In the mean time, one of the ways I notice skills breakthroughs is going down a path, trail, road, and feeling comfortable taking it faster than in the past or maneuvering a bit more aggressively. Something has changed, I'm feeling more secure on the bike. I don't know the exact mechanics that have changed but something has. I've had more of those little breakthrough moments in the past month than in the past 6 months. The most obvious thing I've been doing different is a lot of slow ride exercises. Something I've neglected in the previous 3 years. What's the connection? I don't know, but there is one. One more thing, I'm even getting better at some of the things I'm not practicing much because of all the slow riding.

 

[revnort]

The idea is to figure out which exercises you might benefit from and do those. May be there aren't any. Why hang out in a thread about parking lot practice if it's not relevent to your riding?

You didn't answer my question. Maybe I want to know WHY it is worth me doing these exercises. I already told you I do do parking lot exercises. Some of your examples though I don't see the point. So I am asking you.

You have continually made claims as the the benefit of these exercises and now I am asking you to tell me why. Cite specific examples of real world riding situations where learning that drill will help me. If I truly thought it would help me I would consider it. Again learning it to get better at more parking lot drills is not helpful.

 

[UDRider]

1

.New riders have a lot to learn about handling the bike, why not learn those lessons in a place where a serious crash is unlikely?

Ok, you can practice some skills at low speed, and it does help in certain citations.

2

If developing skills becomes part of the experience then more time will be spent in PLP situations. The PLP time reduces serious injuries because it's a low risk place to ride.

You just paraphrased what I said in my previous post. You are basically saying riding slow reduces risk of injury, because rider is riding slow. Ok no shit. This is like saying you can avoid getting injured while driving by seating in your car making vroom vroom noises instead of driving.

3

The skills would probably make most riders safer on the street than the would otherwise be. That last point is guesswork but I'd rather take the risks of having skills than not having them.

Yeah, the last part you are just pulling out of thin air. Furthermore some how you combined 1 and 2 in your head to come up with outer BS statement number 3. THAT is what people have issue with. It has been said multiple times already, and I said it again, even thought it will not register with you at all.

 

[beginner]

1Ok, you can practice some skills at low speed, and it does help in certain citations.

The only way to find out if PLP would improve your riding is go do a bunch and see what happens.

You just paraphrased what I said in my previous post. You are basically saying riding slow reduces risk of injury, because rider is riding slow. Ok no shit.

Some people aren't ready to go fast. So maybe the way to spend some riding time is to practice slow stuff in a place where there's no traffic or road hazards.

Yeah, the last part you are just pulling out of thin air. Furthermore some how you combined 1 and 2 in your head to come up with outer BS statement number 3. THAT is what people have issue with. It has been said multiple times already, and I said it again, even thought it will not register with you at all.

I think PLP helps all riding at every speed. I might think that because I do a lot of it and can feel the connection. Motor police do it. I think if they were willing to speak their minds in this thread they might say PLP improves all the riding they do.