The Official 2016/2017 NFL Thread

[Bowling4Bikes]

nah, Eli's badass in my book. I was just kicking off the shit talking season with a bang.

in my opinion, just as good as Brady. because he's only one of two who's ever to be considered to have stood toe to toe with Brady, and beat him. twice. most likely with an inferior team. it sure as shit wasn't out-game planning Belichick that won those games. it was will and the ability to step up at the most critical of times. Eli has that in spades.

 

[FXCLM5]

Understood. Favre was/is a singular human being. I mean it in the sense that he's in a realm of his own. The new batch of QB are going to be reaping the benefits of better training regimens and the new rules. Favre had the benefit of his genes and training. Imagine how much farther he could have gone if he had spent his entire career under the new rules regulating how QB are contacted? At some point someone like him or Johnny U is going to come along and blow all of these stats out of the water. I just hope the concussion issues don't make the game unrecognizable and my advanced state of decay doesn't get in the way of me being here when it happens.

meh, you still need a Oline, a good play caller, and a QB who can audible, also receivers that catch balls

besides if your a mobile qb, your gonna get schmacked like golden goose boy Newton, and the refs literally called the game differently when hes under center

also i blame concussion protocol for the entire asmith and crapernick, and ill keep saying it vernon davis who was the leagues highest deep threat TD receiver for that year was already stating in the 1st week when crapernick took over, that he would much prefer to catch asmiths longball

 

[mikev]

Vernon Davis was a freak athlete and a terrible receiver who only caught the ball with his body and not his hands. As soon as he stopped being faster and stronger than everybody else, he came back down to earth.

Also saying "Crapernick" just makes you look petty.

 

[Eldritch]

nah, Eli's badass in my book. I was just kicking off the shit talking season with a bang.

in my opinion, just as good as Brady. because he's only one of two who's ever to be considered to have stood toe to toe with Brady, and beat him. twice. most likely with an inferior team. it sure as shit wasn't out-game planning Belichick that won those games. it was will and the ability to step up at the most critical of times. Eli has that in spades.

I have to disagree there. The way Belichick wins is psychological. It isn't about the best players or the best plays, it is a mind game. I'm convinced Coughlin was better than his game base don their couching against each other on the Giants team under Parcell's in the 80's. Mean Grandpa wasn't able to execute the head games that Belichick could, but he knew how to set his team to win against it. No doubt, Eli won both those Superbowls on the back of some of the most epic QB drives in SB history, but I think at the end of the day, it was Coughlin's leadership that gave them the psychology to win.

I would love to see us go up against them one last time next year, but I have some strong concerns about our ability to reproduce the miracle with McAdoo.

 

[CocoLoco]

nah, Eli's badass in my book. I was just kicking off the shit talking season with a bang.

in my opinion, just as good as Brady. because he's only one of two who's ever to be considered to have stood toe to toe with Brady, and beat him. twice. most likely with an inferior team. it sure as shit wasn't out-game planning Belichick that won those games. it was will and the ability to step up at the most critical of times. Eli has that in spades.

Quarterbacks don't beat quarterbacks. They beat defenses, mostly defensive backs and D coordinators/planning. I'm not taking anything away from Eli. His two trips to the big game, and the way he took/lead his team to both, are stellar in my book.

 

[CocoLoco]

meh, you still need a Oline, a good play caller, and a QB who can audible, also receivers that catch balls

besides if your a mobile qb, your gonna get schmacked like golden goose boy Newton, and the refs literally called the game differently when hes under center

also i blame concussion protocol for the entire asmith and crapernick, and ill keep saying it vernon davis who was the leagues highest deep threat TD receiver for that year was already stating in the 1st week when crapernick took over, that he would much prefer to catch asmiths longball

A great QB, one who can hurt a defense with his arm and his brain, elevates all other parts of the offensive game. Cam isn't one of the great QB. I doubt he'll be a first ballot HoFer. He's a great running back with the ability to throw like a top-middle of the road QB.

 

[CocoLoco]

I have to disagree there. The way Belichick wins is psychological. It isn't about the best players or the best plays, it is a mind game. I'm convinced Coughlin was better than his game base don their couching against each other on the Giants team under Parcell's in the 80's. Mean Grandpa wasn't able to execute the head games that Belichick could, but he knew how to set his team to win against it. No doubt, Eli won both those Superbowls on the back of some of the most epic QB drives in SB history, but I think at the end of the day, it was Coughlin's leadership that gave them the psychology to win.

I would love to see us go up against them one last time next year, but I have some strong concerns about our ability to reproduce the miracle with McAdoo.

Belichick is the best game planner and all around football mind in the game today. He's right up there with Walsh and Lombardi. It's not so much mind games as it is his ability to find the most exploitable weakness on one hand while at the same time identifying his teams best strength on the other in any given match-up. But that is the simple part. Any football fan paying attention can do this. His brilliance is in his ability to build game plans that exploit both to maximum effect. Cheating helps when it can be employed to good use as well.

Maybe my view is the same as your "head games".

 

[Eldritch]

Belichick is the best game planner and all around football mind in the game today. He's right up there with Walsh and Lombardi. It's not so much mind games as it is his ability to find the most exploitable weakness on one hand while at the same time identifying his teams best strength on the other in any given match-up. But that is the simple part. Any football fan paying attention can do this. His brilliance is in his ability to build game plans that exploit both to maximum effect. Cheating helps when it can be employed to good use as well.

Maybe my view is the same as your "head games".

No, you are right about the, "beat me with your left hand," coaching and opportunistic play calling, but there is more to it than that. I feel like a lot of people who watch the game don't realize how much of it is mental and about socially engineering the emotional content of both your players and the opponent. I would venture that at the pro level, as much as 50% of many games have the outcome determined by this intangible.

Darth Hoodie is a master of maintaining this intangible and he creates a culture of winning on his team that allows people who can't do anything someplace else to thrive in his environment that also is very intimidating for opposing teams, often causing weaker team psychologies to break against their even, cool terminator style unit cohesion.

 

[Johndicezx9]

Maybe my view is the same as your "head games".

Eldritch thinks Giants pre-season wins should should be carved into the marble walls in the Pantheon of football, so forgive him if he's prone to a little hyperbole....

 

[Eldritch]

Eldritch thinks Giants pre-season wins should should be carved into the marble walls in the Pantheon of football, so forgive him if he's prone to a little hyperbole....

LOL, I don't even watch the preseason typically.

 

[stigeon]

A great QB, one who can hurt a defense with his arm and his brain, elevates all other parts of the offensive game. Cam isn't one of the great QB. I doubt he'll be a first ballot HoFer. He's a great running back with the ability to throw like a top-middle of the road QB.

case in point: Rodgers, Aaron (Quantity 1) of the Packers from the land of green waters and cheese.

no run game. eviscerated WR corps. limited o-line. inconsistent TE play.

9 game win streak and NFC Championship game

oh, don't forget the green water defense that liked to give up as many points as possible, just to make it interesting lol

 

[CocoLoco]

case in point: Rodgers, Aaron (Quantity 1) of the Packers from the land of green waters and cheese.

no run game. eviscerated WR corps. limited o-line. inconsistent TE play.

9 game win streak and NFC Championship game

oh, don't forget the green water defense that liked to give up as many points as possible, just to make it interesting lol

Thanks for supporting the argument.

 

[Eldritch]

Well, I mean, Cam Newton probably won't even make the HoF. He is pretty good, but he needs athleticism to ball, which is a weak QB like Crapernick, Tebow, or Mike Vic.

 

[CocoLoco]

Well, I mean, Cam Newton probably won't even make the HoF. He is pretty good, but he needs athleticism to ball, which is a weak QB like Crapernick, Tebow, or Mike Vic.

Career isn't over yet. So far it's been a decent start (though with his pouty mood swings he's his own worst enemy). As of now I would say he is most definitely not a first ballot. Not like Big Ben, Eli, and TB. I won't count him completely out though.

 

[Eldritch]

Career isn't over yet. So far it's been a decent start (though with his pouty mood swings he's his own worst enemy). As of now I would say he is most definitely not a first ballot. Not like Big Ben, Eli, and TB. I won't count him completely out though.

Yeah, I have my doubts after this year though. We shall see. You don't a see a lot of guys who are runners turn it around. Russell Wilson did, but I think he was always a real QB, they just had him run a lot that first year or so, because it was when everyone was running the pistol, before that turned out to be a sham.

 

[FXCLM5]

Vernon Davis was a freak athlete and a terrible receiver who only caught the ball with his body and not his hands. As soon as he stopped being faster and stronger than everybody else, he came back down to earth.

Also saying "Crapernick" just makes you look petty.

did you miss vernon davis fantasy stats last year when jordan reed was out

meh i coined the term crapernick like 4 years ago , then the facebook peeps started a group for it

 

[FXCLM5]

i wonder how many times oline and dlines lineup and speculate wtf they saw on tape and practiced for

and when executed the exact play is being called - like it is on tape

very very little right?

you line up 3 wide on 1st down - 80% tape says its pass and 15% says its run and 5% says its PA.

But what is it really when the Defensive team captain gets the call and tries to make adjustments when lined up, does he automatically change to what he practiced for and was shown on tape, or does the offense scheme so drastically it is totally thrown out the door?

Or does he execute what they practiced on tape until a coach says differ? Or is it all individual players jsut getting lucky and in the right position?

 

[FXCLM5]

also it wouldnt surprise me if a nfl team found a way to hack the mic/speaker setup in the qb helmet so it still communicates after the shutoff time.

like after the snap they can be like, oh shit pressure on the left, step up in the pocket joe schome got 2 steps on his defender on the slant over the top. hit him!!

 

[mikev]

also it wouldnt surprise me if a nfl team found a way to hack the mic/speaker setup in the qb helmet so it still communicates after the shutoff time.

like after the snap they can be like, oh shit pressure on the left, step up in the pocket joe schome got 2 steps on his defender on the slant over the top. hit him!!

If that ever happened they would know immediately. There's a person whos job it is to make sure they turn off and report if they don't.

 

[CocoLoco]

After the ball is snapped there isn't nearly enough time to do any coaching. At that point the players are working on instinct and muscle memory. Incoming info from a coach has zero chance of being processed. Coaching is done at practice. Management is done at the game. You may be able to adjust the plan during the game but you'll never be able to coach a player to play better at that point. That ship has sailed by then.