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The Official 2016/2017 NFL Thread

Yup if you measured these stats up til 2005, the Raiders and Dolphins were primo. They've both supremely stunk for a decade, and dragged down the percentages. :(

absolutely correct. raiders and the dolphins were the top of the charts come 2000.

in the end, it seems to me, it's about delivering and getting luck to carry it through. so, hats off to the AFC Steelers for leading the way. :thumbup
 
absolutely correct. raiders and the dolphins were the top of the charts come 2000.

But damn, that was 16 years ago. It would be nice to reclaim our traditional glory. I was cheering hard for the Raiders when they beat the Eagles and Redskins in those Super Bowls in the 1980's. :teeth
 
But damn, that was 16 years ago. It would be nice to reclaim our traditional glory. I was cheering hard for the Raiders when they beat the Eagles and Redskins in those Super Bowls in the 1980's. :teeth

+1 much too long for the cream of the crop of the NFL to be suffering. :thumbup
 
+1 much too long for the cream of the crop of the NFL to be suffering.

Seriously, can you believe these noob Giants have won four Super Bowls in the past 20 years since the AFC ruled the land with four SB wins from the Steelers, three from the Raiders, and two from the Dolphins. NINE Super Bowl wins in a 12-year span? :p
 
Seriously, can you believe these noob Giants have won four Super Bowls in the past 20 years since the AFC ruled the land with four SB wins from the Steelers, three from the Raiders, and two from the Dolphins. NINE Super Bowl wins in a 12-year span? :p

ahhh, those were the days of REAL football.
 
Found a story showing all-time win percentages of the Super Bowl era, up to 2013 and I think this might include playoffs too so it’s either inaccurate or different than a chart only showing regular season wins...

...Since they all show the Dolphins as superior to the Giants, which everyone that follows the NFL already knew, all of them are correct. :laughing

Well, both your lists showed the Cowgirls as #2, which proves my point. I mean the AFC is a garbage Conference, so counting your regular season wins is just cherry picking to make you feel better about your situation. The Giants win way more championships, make way more money, hold way more NFL Records, and have way more Hall Of Fame players.

Any shit you want to talk just doesn't have the data to back it up, I ain't going to be phased by it, Son. :laughing
 
The Giants...make way more money

Yes I already said the Giants have a losing record yet make a ton of money, that's the whole point. How many corporate suits were buying premium seating for the Giants' 6-10 record? :p

The Cowboys are the NFL's most valuable team for a sixth straight year thanks to the league's highest sponsorship and premium seating revenues
 
Story from 2012 that questions profits vs wins:

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...hnurman/20120929-jonesing-on-the-cowboys1.ece

The dollars Cowboys: With profits like these, who needs victories?

The Dallas Cowboys went 8-8 last year and missed the playoffs for the sixth time in the last decade. Yet the team set new highs in revenue and operating profit, and this month, it was the first NFL franchise to be valued at more than $2 billion. According to Forbes magazine, the Cowboys are worth roughly twice as much as teams in the middle of the pack.

Is winning overrated?

Jerry Jones would blanch at the suggestion, because he’s as much a football fan as owner and general manager. The Cowboys also won a string of earlier titles, both before Jones and with him, that helped establish the brand around the globe.

Win or lose, the Cowboys remain a glamour team and TV favorite, and this week, the national spotlight returns to Arlington for Monday Night Football. Fans always focus on what happens on the field, but there’s a business game within the game, and that’s where the Cowboys are world beaters.

Jones paid $140 million for the team in 1989, and it’s valued at $2.1 billion today. Every franchise in the National Football League has become richer in the past generation, thanks to a string of record-setting broadcast contracts. Still, the Cowboys stand apart, and in the last year alone, the team’s value rose 14 percent.

Cowboys Stadium is difference maker No. 1, so it’s fitting that it usually gets a lot of airtime during broadcasts. Last year, the Cowboys led the league in attendance and averaged about 6,000 standing room tickets per game. According to Stats LLC, attendance exceeded stadium capacity by 7 percent, second highest in the league by that measure of popularity.

Star power

With more fans staying home and watching the NFL on big, high-definition televisions, Cowboys games remain the place to be. The stadium’s luxuries are impressive, from the field boxes to the art collection to the giant video board. And it keeps making news, announcing that a Victoria's Secret shop will open Monday, with the help of lingerie models.

The big turnout and TV attention keep corporate sponsors happy. AT&T, Bank of America, Dr Pepper, Ford, Miller Beer and Pepsi help generate $80 million a year in sponsor revenue, Forbes reports. And those dollars aren’t shared the way that broadcast rights and gate receipts are split among the league’s 32 teams.

Jones sometimes primes the pump by serving as the ultimate pitchman, and he has surprising crossover appeal. He’s been making national TV commercials since the 1990s. (Remember the Pizza Hut ad with Deion Sanders after he signed the player to a huge contract? Jones asks if he wants $15 million or $20 million, and Sanders says, “Both” — and Jones just shrugs.)

Ads for Papa John’s pizza have Jones doing rap songs and hip-hop dances, and serve as another example of how the Cowboys combine national and local campaigns — and boost their brand and their partners’ at the same time. Jones even has an ownership stake in the pizza chain, and he’s replicated the same model with Dunkin’ Donuts.

“It’s extraordinary how the Cowboys convert publicity into revenue,” said Marc Ganis, president of Sportscorp Ltd., a consulting firm in Chicago.

He compares Jones to the late George Steinbrenner, the New York Yankees owner who was as famous as his players and appeared in TV commercials, too. Celebrity CEOs don’t get any more high profile, and Jones and the Cowboys have an additional advantage: The NFL’s salary cap keeps the biggest expense — player payroll — under control.

When the Cowboys leverage their brand (or Jones) with advertisers, revenue gains quickly hit the bottom line. Last season, the Cowboys’ operating income was $227 million, up from $9 million the year before they moved into the new stadium. Revenue increased almost 80 percent during the same time.

The Cowboys and most NFL teams are private businesses that don’t report financial results. Forbes has long estimated the numbers for pro sports teams, and the reports are widely respected.

Building the brand

When Jones bought the team, the Cowboys were laggards, but the franchise was a great name in a big, growing market. And the NFL’s popularity was about to explode, boosted by new broadcast deals. Jones was one of the ringleaders who pushed for more competitive bidding, which brought Fox into the fold and eventually led to more NFL games on more networks.

While that grew the pie for everyone, Jones was also growing a separate revenue stream. He sold sponsorships at the old Texas Stadium that often conflicted with the official leaguewide sponsors. He signed contracts with Nike when the league had a separate apparel deal. Today the Cowboys have their own merchandising outfit and a concessions company with the Yankees. Its Legends Premium Sales unit is handling suite and ticket sales for the San Francisco 49ers’ new stadium.

Jones doubled his building budget on Cowboys Stadium to $1.2 billion, and he paid the extra, not Arlington taxpayers. He wanted an attraction that wouldn’t be eclipsed a few years later.

MetLife Stadium, which opened in 2010 in New Jersey and had a higher price tag, isn’t nearly as compelling — or valuable.

“The Cowboys had the better vision and execution,” Ganis said. “Management counts.”

The New York Giants play in MetLife, and they won the Super Bowl last year. They’re No. 4 on the Forbes list of NFL teams — and still trail the Cowboys’ value by $632 million. That’s a lead that looks safe.
 
I have a friend that goes to at least 1 Cowboy game a year, he loves "Jerryworld". He says even if the Cowboys are crap, or you don't like the team, the stadium is a show in itself that has to be seen.... :dunno
 
I have a friend that goes to at least 1 Cowboy game a year, he loves "Jerryworld". He says even if the Cowboys are crap, or you don't like the team, the stadium is a show in itself that has to be seen....

So the NFL is not professional sports anymore, it's degenerated into "sports entertainment" WWE pro wrasslin'? :mad :p
 
Yes I already said the Giants have a losing record yet make a ton of money, that's the whole point. How many corporate suits were buying premium seating for the Giants' 6-10 record? :p

They don't have a losing record, I'm not sure why you are unable to comprehend the basic business cycle of the NFL. The Giants have a record of 673-567-33, including 8 Championship wins, which is 3rd most in NFL History and 25 Divion Titles, which are often more important to maintaining a fan base and that is second only to Greem Bay in most won in the NFL. Referring to them as losing organization just makes no sense by any stretch of the imagination. Heck, they didn't having a losing season for 8 years straight before the last 3 tough seasons and that 8 year run included 2 Superbowl wins. Your logic here just makes no sense. :dunno

I mean hell, if having a losing season put a team under, the 'Fins would have tanked years ago. How many winning seasons do they even have in the last 30 friggin' years, like 10?

Now the Cardinals, THAT is a losing team. Since 1920, they have a record of 535-724-39, for a nearly Century old record of losing more than winning with only 2 Championships under their belt.

Probably the losingest teams in the NFL would be the Falcons and Bengals, who both started back in the 1960's with records of 330-432-6 (ATL, 1966) and 338-399-3 (CIN, 1968) and no Championships won ever, but a strong argument could be made for Tampa Bay, who despite being ahead of CIN and ATL with their single Superbowl Victory, they have the worst record in football after 40 years on the field at 241-386-1 an abysmal .385, which is worse then the perennially losing Cardinals and even rough new franchises like the Jags and Texans.
 
They don't have a losing record, I'm not sure why you are unable to comprehend the basic business cycle of the NFL. Referring to them as losing organization just makes no sense by any stretch of the imagination.

All NFL fans talk misty-eyed about the past when the 2015-16 product has a losing record. :p

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All it means is that the top$ teams have die hard fans and that those fans have money to spend on their team. That's it. If the Raiders move to LV they'll jump back into the top 5 regardless of their record.
 
All NFL fans talk misty-eyed about the past when the 2015-16 product has a losing record. :p

Umm, no, I'm just saying your logic doesn't make sense. I mean, I could pick one game where your team got badly beaten and start hooting and hollering that they suck and are losers and all that kind of crap, but it is just childish and silly and out of context with the rest of what the franchise is doing and has done. You want NFL losers, look to the previously stated examples, the Giants simply do not fall amongst them. :dunno

All it means is that the top$ teams have die hard fans and that those fans have money to spend on their team. That's it. If the Raiders move to LV they'll jump back into the top 5 regardless of their record.

Were the Raiders ever in the top 5? I mean, I think you’re right, I’ve already said it, it really has to do with the population density and wealth of your home market, but Vegas is kind of small. Maybe they were really valuable for a couple of years in the 80’s when they were in L.A. and the days where they could win something were not that far behind them, but Oakland/East Bay is way too small of a shitty market for them to be super valuable in the shadow of the 49ers.

Las Vegas isn’t a big market either, but the Raiders may retain enough of their Oakland and L.A. fan base remnants with their, “Blue Collar Bad Boy,” branded product in Vegas to push back into the top 5 with Boston and the NFC East.
 
I mean, I could pick one game where your team got badly beaten and start hooting and hollering that they suck and are losers and all that kind of crap, but it is just childish and silly and out of context with the rest of what the franchise is doing and has done. You want NFL losers, look to the previously stated examples, the Giants simply do not fall amongst them.

One game? It's the entire season of 2015. The Cowboys lost 12 games, 49ers lost 11, Giants lost 10. Yet all three teams are raking in big profits.

Do you really think the average NY Giants fan of 2016 is buying tickets because "that Sam Huff guy was so inspiring?" :wtf :laughing
 
Arian Foster is signing with the Dolphins. Now we crushin'
 

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Umm, no, I'm just saying your logic doesn't make sense. I mean, I could pick one game where your team got badly beaten and start hooting and hollering that they suck and are losers and all that kind of crap, but it is just childish and silly and out of context with the rest of what the franchise is doing and has done. You want NFL losers, look to the previously stated examples, the Giants simply do not fall amongst them. :dunno



Were the Raiders ever in the top 5? I mean, I think you’re right, I’ve already said it, it really has to do with the population density and wealth of your home market, but Vegas is kind of small. Maybe they were really valuable for a couple of years in the 80’s when they were in L.A. and the days where they could win something were not that far behind them, but Oakland/East Bay is way too small of a shitty market for them to be super valuable in the shadow of the 49ers.

Las Vegas isn’t a big market either, but the Raiders may retain enough of their Oakland and L.A. fan base remnants with their, “Blue Collar Bad Boy,” branded product in Vegas to push back into the top 5 with Boston and the NFC East.

It isn't a big market but I imagine it would propel the team into the minds of folks who like football but aren't fanatics yet. It would launch them up on the NFL marquee. Everybody knows about Vegas but nobody lives there. But you're right, I doubt the Raiders have ever been in the top 5 when it comes to most $valuable franchises.
 
One game? It's the entire season of 2015. The Cowboys lost 12 games, 49ers lost 11, Giants lost 10. Yet all three teams are raking in big profits.

Do you really think the average NY Giants fan of 2016 is buying tickets because "that Sam Huff guy was so inspiring?" :wtf :laughing

No, you crackpot, it is because they were dying to get into the games in the Superbowl season that happened in 2011, in Superbowl Season 2007, maybe not that Superbowl in 2000 so much, but maybe if they are old geezers, the Superbowl in 1991, there are still guys all over Metlife on game day with Lawrence Taylor Jerseys on, which is legacy going back to the 80's and some guys who probably remember the '87 Superbowl better than I do.

You are talking like every season is a reset button and then the teams compete for who makes the most money by winning games. That isn't remotely how business works. Stock Brokers, Investment Advisors, Insurance Brokers, they don't make any damn money their first year. A Gold Album Rock Band doesn't make any real money their first album out. I don't know why it is so hard for you to comprehend the business model of developing a strong book of business that sustains you through good years and bad. It isn't a one year and you are done kind of relationship. If a band with a solid fanbase drops a bad album, they well still make up for it with old songs on the tour and sustain their fanbase with a better album next time.

Now if you have a team that has a big strong old market that is persistently bad for an extende dperiod, you get like the Bears or Lions, who despite really nice markets are not as valuable, but it takes a LONG time to wear down a really good business book like that, it simply isn't a business cycle that is resolved in a single generation.

I mean hell, look at Raiders or Dolphins fans, the worst period in the history of professional football was the 60's and 70's. Seriously, those decades shouldn't even count, the sport was so bad, but those two teams really thrived during those years and largely have been undiluted sewage on the field ever since, going back like 30+ years, but still, they are able to make some money and sell some jerseys, because fans remember some time in their grandparents era when their team was not a public embarrassment.

You see, the business runs in a cycle that simply isn't defined by a single season.

:)

It isn't a big market but I imagine it would propel the team into the minds of folks who like football but aren't fanatics yet. It would launch them up on the NFL marquee. Everybody knows about Vegas but nobody lives there. But you're right, I doubt the Raiders have ever been in the top 5 when it comes to most $valuable franchises.

Yeah, you're probably right. The Vegas Bad Boy might be a sell to a lot of Midwestern Football Fans who don't support a pro team and mainly go after college ball. I'm REALLY CURIOUS to see how the Rams profitability does now that they are a solo act in the #2 Market in America again.
 
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