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Walking Dead-Season 2

what're you, the Deadpool of Walking Dead?

You stay on your side of the 4th wall, and I'll stay on mine :x


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psychocandy said:
Rick had to "kill" Sophia. stop thinking logically, this is a TV show, not reality.

Rick, nominally the head of the travelling survivors, had to kill Sophia (one of theirs) after his "people" massacred Herschel's (head of the farm survivors).

y'all are applying too much "if this were reality" logic to the show. the writers of the show (and the comic book I presume) will do what's necessary to move the story along and make it interesting. the Shane & Daryl show is a cheap video game, exciting at first, boring after ten minutes. Dale is the conscious of the story, too old and slow and emotional for the new world, but without him, what's the point of surviving (all the Rambo types may talk a good game about survival, but you don't really wanna live like that). Herschel represents faith, pure & simple, and probably foolishly. Shane is pure id, pure survival instinct at the expense of what makes us human. Rick is the main character of the show and represents the struggle of humanity in the "new" world.

I'm oversimplifying for sure. but it's fairly plain to see that all these characters exist and are still with us for a reason. and, as long as the show writing remains good, whoever gets killed off will have been killed for a reason as well.
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Gnarly Cranium said:
The man is psychotic. Seriously, he's swiftly rising all the way to sociopath
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Spiral said:
Shane and his downward spiral to madness.
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Entoptic said:
Shane is awesome but crazy, well kinda crazy.
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Shane is the sanest one of the bunch. He spoke up about the madness of not keeping guns as protection, about living next to a barn full of walkers, about searching for a girl who was certainly dead.

Evidence of his sanity is his obvious struggle with or regret about what he did to Otis. An insane person or a sociopath would not give it another thought.
 
Even if some of Shane's points are good, he is unstable. That overrides any good he can do for the group-- he's a liability on all fronts. The "shitty treatment" he's been receiving is mostly a reaction to just that, his own asshole temperament. I mean, Daryl knows how to survive too, but you don't see him freaking out all the time, you don't see him with a woman's defensive scratches on his face. I think Daryl's only real problem is that he expects nobody to take him seriously, and keeps his mouth shut and his head down rather than try to take charge. He doesn't have their background in the police, so there are some skills he lacks.

Taking the farm by force is not a good option. That's the move of a raider, a dictator, and will not build a successful community. Get your own farm.

That said, Maggie at least has lost confidence in Herschel's leadership. The single smartest thing that happened in that entire episode, was Glenn turning to her in the barn crisis and getting her permission before he started shooting. Between that and the death of Sophia, Maggie at least can see that they stand together, so they have an advocate. It's possible that the rest of the community could agree that Herschel's methods were too high risk and let them stay... but it's unfortunate that they didn't get the chance to make that decision as a group. Shane's actions will almost certainly turn everybody against them.

Maggie may come with when they leave, but I kinda doubt it.


Mostly I still wish they were on their way to Ft Benning 5 episodes ago.
 
I'm still ticked they were wasting chickens, and in the last episode the girl wasted an egg!
 
Take over a neighboring farm. There should be plenty available out there, no need to take one already occupied.

Like him or not, I'd rather have Shane in my group than not. When you have a large group of walkers closing in on you he'll help get the job done. Others in that group won't and everyone would die if you relied on them.

As for shooting Otis, what options did he really have?

Otis shot the kid. If he hadn't they never would have been in that situation. If Shane didn't shoot him they both would have died along with the kid and the group would be weaker without Shane. If he shot him in the head the walkers may have passed him by and gone for Shane anyway. By shooting Otis, Shane saved lives.
 
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all that happened *after* Rick appeared. and *after* he was told to "stay away from my son" and *after* Rick was giving away hardware to thugs that were kidnapping members of his team and threatening violence if they weren't given more of what they hadn't bothered to grab on their own in weeks.

He adopts the kid as his own, is willing to fight and die for him, spends more time showing him things he needs to get by in the new world, and not only gets that taken away, but gets treated as the villain for his efforts.

Of course he's a bit drama-prone. What he shoulda done is bailed and not allowed Mrs" "come hither-goaway-come back" any more influence in his life. But he's bonded to the kid.

A real smart woman would want as many hard asses fighting to protect her kid as possible instead of worrying about her own personal guilt first.

So like a spurned superhero, he's gonna get his revenge at some point I reckon:)

And you watch, if Daryl keeps getting the "redneck" treatment he's gonna do a lot more than just react.

Taking stuff by force, well that earned the Vatos a bunch of free guns, ammo and quite a bit of territory. Unless one chooses to believe they never threatened or kidnapped anyone else before or since their little run in with The Bag o' Guns.

BTW, if gunshots are so dangerous as to bring walkers for miles, Daryl's tiny teapot tank big twin is going to ALWAYS summon them for miles every time he starts the bike. And when he stops for gas every ten miles or so, he's gonna need a lot more arrows..

Gnarly Cranium said:
Even if some of Shane's points are good, he is unstable. That overrides any good he can do for the group-- he's a liability on all fronts. The "shitty treatment" he's been receiving is mostly a reaction to just that, his own asshole temperament. I mean, Daryl knows how to survive too, but you don't see him freaking out all the time, you don't see him with a woman's defensive scratches on his face. I think Daryl's only real problem is that he expects nobody to take him seriously, and keeps his mouth shut and his head down rather than try to take charge. He doesn't have their background in the police, so there are some skills he lacks.

Taking the farm by force is not a good option. That's the move of a raider, a dictator, and will not build a successful community. Get your own farm.

That said, Maggie at least has lost confidence in Herschel's leadership. The single smartest thing that happened in that entire episode, was Glenn turning to her in the barn crisis and getting her permission before he started shooting. Between that and the death of Sophia, Maggie at least can see that they stand together, so they have an advocate. It's possible that the rest of the community could agree that Herschel's methods were too high risk and let them stay... but it's unfortunate that they didn't get the chance to make that decision as a group. Shane's actions will almost certainly turn everybody against them.

Maggie may come with when they leave, but I kinda doubt it.


Mostly I still wish they were on their way to Ft Benning 5 episodes ago.
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I am a fan of zombie movies, so I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this. It seems these movies take place in a world where people have never heard the word zombie before or even know of the concept of zombies. It's always a shock to them when the dead are reanimated. Also, they NEVER use the word zombie, they always have some other term like walking dead or walkers.

I always thought it was weird.

Also, Otis had it coming. He was a poor hunter if he couldn't see Carl walking up directly behind the deer.
 
wilit said:
I am a fan of zombie movies, so I wonder if anyone else has ever noticed this. It seems these movies take place in a world where people have never heard the word zombie before or even know of the concept of zombies. It's always a shock to them when the dead are reanimated. Also, they NEVER use the word zombie, they always have some other term like walking dead or walkers.

I always thought it was weird.

Also, Otis had it coming. He was a poor hunter if he couldn't see Carl walking up directly behind the deer.
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This is almost always the case, but it does occasionally happen.

I THINK it was the show "The Fades" that I was recently watching (awesome, awesome show if you've never seen it) where a character was fleeing, encountered some re-animated dead, and screeched ZOMBIES!!! at the top of his lungs as he ran the other way.

And of course there's Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland, but they're sortof satire so yeah.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotUsingTheZWord
 
great episode. lots of little details piling up, tension becoming palpable. i could almost sympathize with Herschel, watching his family murdered (again) in front of him.

Rick's too nice a guy and still thinks of Shane as his brother (he used those words) but I wanted him to say some smart-ass shit to Shane when it was the groups turn to kill one of their own. Can't finish none? Don't start none, Shane! I was prepping myself for Sophia to be a walker but it ended up being a little more heart breaking than i thought it would be. :(

I'm really a fan of Daryl. His dynamic with Sophia's mom and his persistence with the search was very touching. I wonder if he flips a switch and starts acting like a fool when Merle comes back in to the picture? Shane or the group or both are going to regret those words spoken to him (meth head hillbilly whatever) by Shane, I think.

If Shane were really a callous, evil bastard like Dale thinks he is Dale would be face-down in the swamp. Dale is just too sensitive and slow to adapt, which isn't unexpected. Shane, Rick, Merle and Daryl have had some measure of grooming for coping with the stress of the situation they are in. None of the others have. That difference in decisiveness and decision making is what's rubbing Dale the wrong way. Well that and the fact that Shane is boning his adopted daughter. :laughing

That said, Glenn the pizza delivery guy is coping quite well. Must be his time on the xbox! Someone already mentioned it and i agree, it's nice to see a positive, not completely stereotypical portrayal of an asian-american on TV.

Daryl, Glenn and Shane are currently, in that order, my favorite three characters.

Idontdotrix said:
and he makes anyone watching realize the awful truth in yourselves- that you'd kill the guy next to you, esp if it was someone to whom you owed no loyalty, someone who had harmed someone you cared for- to save your own life and another's. people like to think they would be all noble and just die along with the guy. you wouldn't. you'd have shot Otis too. that's why Shane's character makes most ppl uncomfortable- they refuse to see themselves in him.
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^ 100% agree w/ everything but wanted to highlight this part again.

that really is why the show caught my attention in the first place. it wasn't just a zombie show. it was about the people and what it meant to be a person. the walkers are more for moving the story forward or creating opportunities to expose those character traits.

me gusta!
 
i don't think Herschel knew about Sophia. wasn't it worked out that Otis probably knew but was not around long enough for that part of the conversation.

also, we must not forget....

what the fuck did Dr. Edwin Jenner tell Deputy Grimes as he left the CDC? :mad :nerd
 
Monica. said:
Hershel knew about Sophia this whole time? Bunch of b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t
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Zerox said:
:laughing

If it turns out that was the case (guess we'll find out in February), heads will roll!
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Herschel did NOT know about Sophia being in the barn! One of the writers of the show said so on, "The Talking Dead", after show that, Herschel had no idea about Sophia because Otis did the walker catching and Shane murdered Otis before the, "we're looking for a lost girl in the woods", discussion came out.
 
it's always my theory that little girls are evil and the latest walking dead episode just reinforced my beliefs...

yes, they can be cute, adorable, and beloved but at the end, they have to be shot because they're just little monsters...
 
Ok good to know. But even if Herschel didn't know, what's the point of dragging it out this long? Actually, what's the point in even making Sophia a walker? Karl has no one now. :(
 
Monica. said:
Ok good to know. But even if Herschel didn't know, what's the point of dragging it out this long? Actually, what's the point in even making Sophia a walker?
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Whut? That was a GREAT moment when Sophia came out of that barn! Surprised me, I had kinda forgotten about that little girl character. Actually when I first heard the shuffling steps, I was thinking it would be the delusional holy roller's zombie wife that would come stumbling out, and he would run in front of of her to take the bullet meant for her. I was way off with that guess. :laughing
 
Monica. said:
Ok good to know. But even if Herschel didn't know, what's the point of dragging it out this long? Actually, what's the point in even making Sophia a walker? Karl has no one now. :(
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i think it HAD to end with Sophia as a walker. if it'd been just a one-episode issue, she get's lost then get's found i think it's no big deal if she makes it.

but this is the new world. children will not survive on their own. it's a cruel, harsh reality. it's what's driving all the characters (except Herschel) insane. and this took place over the whole season. it was obviously a major thread in the story.

if the writers had let her make it, by some miracle, i think it'd be too hollywood feel-good bs compared to what is entertaining about the rest of it. it just wouldn't jive.
 
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