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CHP Causing a Motorcycle Accident
- Thread starter ElDiablo
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Just a quick note to all the whiners 
who said the officer was not helping the rider, the first rule is to make the scene safe. You can't help anyone if you get plowed into from traffic behind you. As others have clearly stated other riders were attending to the fallen rider so the officer’s primary concern is requesting aid and MAKING THE SCENE SECURE AND SAFE FOR HIM AND THE OTHER RIDERS!
who said the officer was not helping the rider, the first rule is to make the scene safe. You can't help anyone if you get plowed into from traffic behind you. As others have clearly stated other riders were attending to the fallen rider so the officer’s primary concern is requesting aid and MAKING THE SCENE SECURE AND SAFE FOR HIM AND THE OTHER RIDERS!
budbandit
Well-known member
Question for the LEOs: so let's say a group is out playing in the hills and when you pull them over a member of the pack decides to do a faceplant, taking himself and others out. At that point are the karma books clean with the Biker Boyz having paid a high enough price or do you start writing performance awards? If you write some awards are they for speeding or for stacking and taking out others or both?
TheRiddler
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I've talked to the guy who did the endo. His story is a accurate, but different. He said the cop pulled up behind him unexpectedly. He was watching in front of him while the riders in front saw the cop in their mirrors. He then checked his mirrors while the riders in front began slowing. By the time he looked back his was right on the lead riders, so he slammed on the brakes and crashed.
I split the fault evenly. The rider for panicking, the group for being too close, and the cop for cutting the group in half.
I split the fault evenly. The rider for panicking, the group for being too close, and the cop for cutting the group in half.
Kimballthegreat
Roll, Smoke, Bake.
I'll admit that I'm never happy to see a cop unless I need one, but the posting of this video on youtube did nothing but fuel the fire of morons. Those very same people that complain of police brutality when police, fearing for their lives, shoot and kill an armed man who robbed a convenience store. I don't understand it. Stop trying to make it into something it's not. I saw the video a couple times, it's clearly a mistake by either a panicky or inexperienced rider. Now I'm off take my once a month shower 
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Personally, you get a ticket for the violation I saw. Being stupid is not a get out a jail free card. Your crashing is a penalty from a higher power.
He may not want to take responsibility, but clearly he was in violation. Just watching that video before the police car entered the view I could clearly see that if any of the lead bikes had to brake hard that the following bikes were too close.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21703.htm
Following Too Closely
21703. The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the speed of such vehicle and the traffic upon, and the condition of, the roadway.
Eisernkreuz
unteroffizier
Well, at least you have a proper learner bike
If grandma had nuts, we'd call her grandpa. But she doesn't so we call her grandma. I guess what you're trying to say is that you're still a good rider, even though you crashed, because had you been left to your own devices, you wouldn't have crashed?
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Well, at least you have a proper learner bike
Its still a learner yes, but I road a ninja for a few months if that matters. I could have been on a 50CC scooter and the same thing could have resulted, so you can go ahead and step off that pedestal now.
If grandma had nuts, we'd call her grandpa. But she doesn't so we call her grandma. I guess what you're trying to say is that you're still a good rider, even though you crashed, because had you been left to your own devices, you wouldn't have crashed?
No, I'm not saying im a good rider, but yes, if that LEO was not on my arse, I would have never pulled off, and I would have never crashed, at least not that day on that section of road. Now I realize it was my choice to pull off, thus the crash is 100% my fault. However, there are factors that can influence a crash and take 0 fault. I managed to navigate 100+ miles all on my own that day when their wasnt a LEO on my ass. Imagine that
I'm really not sure what point you are trying to prove, and whatever it is, you are doing it poorly. Next time don't use such a bogus analogy
I'm sure its real easy to judge me by my crash, choice of bike, and experience level as you hide behind your computer, but if you actually met me in person you'd find I'm probably one of the most level headed new riders you could possibly find. I panicked in a tough situation and crashed as a result of it. I've learned from it and moved on. Next time you have a 4000lb sled a few feet from your rear tire when you've done nothing wrong and are doing the speed limit, let me know how comfortable you feel
Make it a LEO on your tail, and some people react differently. Some could care less its a cop, some will get nervous, some will get fearful even. Without knowing me or my prior experience with police, you can't know or say how I will be affected. Its real easy for some to say they will keep their cool, and they might (my 2 riding buddies did). Others might not fair the same.
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Archimedes
Fire Watcher
Fixed.
If you read the first paragraph you wrote above, it's pretty clear that the cause of this accident was that the riders were riding too close and the guy who crashed did not pay proper attention to what was going on in front of him. The cop has no fault here at all.
Arch... were you there? Did you see where the cop was from the moment he began tailing the riders? Do you have any knowledge of when the lights came on? Do you know when the siren was blasted?
Did you see the group pulling over in a nearly single file as the rider with the camera was pulled in front of? Do you know why anyone was being pulled over in the first place?
Have you ever had a vehicle suddenly appear to be point at you with headlights flashing and a light bar going... and then have a siren blast you in the ear causing you lose a certain amount of attention?
Regardless of technical fault, which I am not about to judge ... the fact the rider was startled as much as he was, is understandable.
The first person to pull over should have pulled farther down the road but he didn't... BLAST OF LOUD NOISE IN YOUR EAR ... LIGHTS ...BUMPER ... Heck I don't know... I bet I can startle the shit out of you ... just a thought
Did you see the group pulling over in a nearly single file as the rider with the camera was pulled in front of? Do you know why anyone was being pulled over in the first place?
Have you ever had a vehicle suddenly appear to be point at you with headlights flashing and a light bar going... and then have a siren blast you in the ear causing you lose a certain amount of attention?
Regardless of technical fault, which I am not about to judge ... the fact the rider was startled as much as he was, is understandable.
The first person to pull over should have pulled farther down the road but he didn't... BLAST OF LOUD NOISE IN YOUR EAR ... LIGHTS ...BUMPER ... Heck I don't know... I bet I can startle the shit out of you ... just a thought
Archimedes
Fire Watcher
The key word here is "fault". I don't care if the cop jumped out from behind a tree and screamed "oogly boogly!!!" The reason that crash occurred was because the riders were riding way too close together. Period. They were not prepared to deal with external stimuli in a safe manner. In this case the external stimuli was a cop on their tail, which can happen. If they had been properly spaced, there would have been no accident here. Fault? Riders. Maybe the cop could have handled things better, but the reason the guy actually crashed was rider error, as a group.
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