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Thoughts on SUV?

Yakoo752 said:
Not sure why you feel it's hard to believe

have you sat in a Rolls? The moment you do, you know where the value is coming from. :laughing But if I went with a Rolls I would have to find 95 octane gas :|

Phantom Specs:
Engine
6.75 L V12 453 bhp (338 kW)

Transmission
ZF 6-speed automatic
ZF 8-speed automatic

Bassem, I would buy a Macan over a Range any day of the week!
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Transmission Model number don't really say a lot when it comes to quality. the internals are the crucial factor.

Obviously there are only few ZF transmission around, but the differ in broad range depending on vehicle requirements.
 
MrIncredible said:
I can't see that having enough payload for you.

By "you" I mean "the uses I would expect you to put a truck through"

I wasn't implying you were fat.

I mean you are fat, but I didn't see any reason to imply it-it seemed irrelevant.

I would just go and call you fat if I felt the need.


Fattie.
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:twofinger

For work, not for me personally. We're currently running the EcoBoost F150's, but they're approaching 100k and will need replacement in another year or two to keep the fleet modern.

jigabeer said:
Transmission Model number don't really say a lot when it comes to quality. the internals are the crucial factor.

Obviously there are only few ZF transmission around, but the differ in broad range depending on vehicle requirements.
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I would expect a transmission marked with a specific model number to have the same internals regardless of vehicle application. Different shift programming and lock-up RPM's, certainly, but the hardware should be essentially identical.
 
Yakoo752 said:
this - at the end of the day this. She's tossing between the smart economical choice (the accord) and the "splurge" choice. She's never owned a "nice" car before so it weigh on her pretty heavy.
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She works at Yahoo, right? Get the economical car. Trust me.:p
 
cycle61 said:
I would expect a transmission marked with a specific model number to have the same internals regardless of vehicle application. Different shift programming and lock-up RPM's, certainly, but the hardware should be essentially identical.
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yep

ZF told us the problems were entirely due to software and not to anything mechanical, but it would not comment on what specific improvements it was making, as “ZF works independently with each customer based on their needs.”
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(in regards to the 9 speed tranny failing in the JGC, the TLX, Evoque, and the Chrysler 200)

stan23 said:
She works at Yahoo, right? Get the economical car. Trust me.:p
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that was years ago, she's at PAMF Palo Alto now.
 
cycle61 said:
:twofinger


I would expect a transmission marked with a specific model number to have the same internals regardless of vehicle application. Different shift programming and lock-up RPM's, certainly, but the hardware should be essentially identical.
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not necessarily. Why would a manufacture pay double or more for a 1000 NM rated Transmission if the application they intend to install it only requires 500 NM.

Still the same transmission design, but the internals are lower spec and calibration/software are not as refined and top notch
 
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jigabeer said:
not necessarily. Why would a manufacture pay double or more for a 1000 NM rated Transmission if the application they intend to install it only requires 500 NM.

Still the same transmission design, but the internals are lower spec and calibration/software are not as refined and top notch
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yes, to an extent. But I can't imagine there being significant differences in internals across the 8 or so different vehicles.
fwiw
the Rolls Royce is rated to 530Nm and the JGC is rated to 700Nm...
 
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Yakoo752 said:
yes, to an extent. But I can't imagine there being significant differences in internals across the 8 or so different vehicles.
fwiw
the Rolls Royce is rated to 530Nm and the JGC is rated to 700Nm...
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Rolls Royce has 530Lb which translates to 700+ NM. a vast difference considering a Rolls aka Tanker would even move with only 500 NM :rofl

However, I'm not in the transmission industry, but i know high margin manufactures producing millions of cars with the same transmission are cutting cost to the cent to make it worth.

it would surprise me if a mere Jeep 8Speed had the same specs as a RR transmission.

i don't think its a official DIN guideline, but driveline components or any other parts for that matter have a Number (german word is "Sicherheitskennzahl") which limits the specific part to certain applications. for example an engine has 500 NM output, the clutch should have at least 1,7 times (approx 800 NM) the capability to take stress which occurs during daily driving situations. it is not required, but its better to have a cushion then a failing part because of unknown driving condition.

usually components for high end cars are way over the top when it comes to fit and finish. thats why i love some German Car.

for example, a kardan shaft on a Cayenne Turbo vs a Cayenne Turbo S. some say its the same car with few more horsepower would use the same driveline connection. But its not that simple, engineers put a lot of work and money in a part nobody ever will see tho make it look the same but the actual part is much more improved to handle extra torque.

this is just one example and it goes on and on. hence the money you pay for a high end car doesn't necessarily show in the cabin with more switches and gadgets.
 
Matt, see if you can at least get her to drive the Exploder...we ( a few of us) know an AMFer that traded their Rover for an explorer and are stoked on it. The thing has massive heat and is damn well done inside...and that's coming from someone who's down on Ford.
 
If you all at dropping that much coin, the new XC90 is supposed to be rather incredible. The interior is really something else in that thing. Journalists have said the seats are some of the nicest and most comfy ever put into a production vehicle.
 
I know I'm getting into this late but I gotta ask...

Where in the hell did you find an Overland Summit for under $40K? :wow
 
A baby changes a lot of things.

You sure you want to spend that much money with twins on the way?

I'm not sure you could get both car seats comfortably in some of the SUVs out there.

A minivan would have room for the triplets though, and all the associated baby stuff.

Either way, I hope it's a better ownership experience than her last car. Good luck with the quadruplets!
 
Kornholio said:
I know I'm getting into this late but I gotta ask...

Where in the hell did you find an Overland Summit for under $40K? :wow
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I couldn't tell you how much it was because the dealer wouldn't give me a number. I assume the limited I can pick up for under 40 and the OS for under 50.

MrIncredible said:
A baby changes a lot of things.

You sure you want to spend that much money with twins on the way?

I'm not sure you could get both car seats comfortably in some of the SUVs out there.

A minivan would have room for the triplets though, and all the associated baby stuff.

Either way, I hope it's a better ownership experience than her last car. Good luck with the quadruplets!
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I hate you. :love

I want a sprinter!!!

I'll try working Ford some more
 
Snow trips how often?

Going to Tahoe only 5-6 times a year doesn't justify needing AWD, IMO.

I think chicks just want that false security of sitting higher than traffic.
 
Reli said:
I think chicks just want that false security of sitting higher than traffic.
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She's been side swiped and her car has been rear ended 4 times in the last 3 years... I'm positive this has something to do with her desire to get a bigger car.
 
Yakoo752 said:
She's been side swiped and her car has been rear ended 4 times in the last 3 years... I'm positive this has something to do with her desire to get a bigger car.
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If she's gotten in five accidents in three years, you might consider investing in a defensive driving course for her.

Or just get one of these:

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Rear-ended 4 times in the last 3 years? Does she tend to follow too close and jab the brakes? Just curious..

I'm just mad because all the ATM's are higher now.....I can't reach all the buttons in a completely stock 3-series :laughing
 
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