Ferguson Solution

[Junkie]

Did the prosecutor screw up on this case? I'm reading thats the concensus. Not that there was a lack of evidence. Granted, ex NY Mayor Guliani who was a prosecutor said there's no way with the deferring witness testimonies they would have got beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's the consensus among people who think Brown should have been allowed to kill Wilson. However, among people who look at the evidence, he did the right thing. There was no need to waste taxpayer money taking it to trial for the same result.

 

[mean dad]

That's the consensus among people who think Brown should have been allowed to kill Wilson. However, among people who look at the evidence, he did the right thing. There was no need to waste taxpayer money taking it to trial for the same result.

Dude, you are so antagonistic with your verbiage.

 

[Nahullo]

...The point is that people are angry with the justice system decision. If a jury of 12 is racist, what is acceptable?

I don't know that anyone has said the jury of 12 is racist, but they are saying the system is racist. So how do we solve that?

There were definitely conflicting witness statements. I don't think that is unusual in a trial. The hope is that when you compare the evidence to the testimony you can pick out the people that are lying.

I'd say the Bay Area is a geo that leans toward acceptance of differing cultures. Given that perspective - this forum is a microcosm of our local society. You would need to be delusional or intellectually deficient to suggest bigotry does not exist on BARF.

Racism is a systemic practice to limit or remove the rights or opportunities of a minority group - normally based on physical characteristics. There is a fair amount of bigotry on BARF. When those bigots on BARF are in a position to use their will (in a negative / systemic way) on folks who are different then they are racist. For example - the teacher who drops the N-word on BARF and insist "those people" just can't preform academically (because they are black) and intentionally grades those minority students at a higher standard. That is a racist.

How do you solve racism? When you see bigotry, kill it (metaphorically, please). It is a plague and as long as it is tolerated, it will persist. Bigotry is the root of racism. Good luck.

You keep trying to pivot and not answer my question. I didn't ask how you solve racism.

WTF… I guess I got sucked into a Troll Vortex…

So you are saying that being tried by a jury of 12 is racist?

Edit: to clarify, I was not asking how do we fix racism. I was asking, since the black people feel that a jury of 12 coming to a decision is not justice, what should we replace it with that will serve justice?

I don't normally speak on how, "the black people feel " and to do so and say we think you are an idiot would violate the terms on BARF so we can’t call you an idiot - certainly I can't on this forum... Please identify the post where I said the jury was racist. To be clear – I have not said that being tried by a jury of 12 is racist. I have not hinted, suggested, implied, nor intimated the Grand Jury in this case was racist. And I am very sure that I was clear when I said,

”Did the cop have a justifiable reason to confront two guys walking down the middle of the street? yes.

For whatever reason - Brown escalates the "discussion" and throws a punch - which is the precipitating act that leads to his death. Two rounds fired inside the car? yes. Brown's blood in the car? yes. Cop's face show signs of injury? probably (no photos), but Dr says so.

I give the cop the benefit of the doubt - he's in his car getting his ass kicked, what is he suppose to do?”

Your responses indicate either 1) you don’t pay fuck!ing attention or 2) you are a troll.


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[enki]

there is no solution at this moment, as the issue is a cultural issue that needs long term addressing

unfortunately we seem to be regressing a lot on this issue. as the change in democgraphics continues, I think racial strife is going to increase in this country

Yes, you are right. But it will be Africa-American vs. Hispanic. already happening big time in LA.

 

[kevin 714]

Yes, you are right. But it will be Africa-American vs. Hispanic. already happening big time in LA.

On this I agree with yiu

Increasing racial strife is not limited to whites, no doubt.

 

[MikeL]

Yes, you are right. But it will be Africa-American vs. Hispanic. already happening big time in LA.

On this I agree with yiu

Increasing racial strife is not limited to whites, no doubt.

Let's all just have interracial babies. The issue will go away.

Thank me later!

I'm off to solve other major issues like childhood obesity. A hint at my solution: Eat healthier.

 

[Bay Arean]

I was extremely disappointed in Brian Williams saying, "the grand jury failed to indict..."

That is purely inflammatory language.

People need to hear this and think about it. Thanks.

 

[mean dad]

Yes, you are right. But it will be Africa-American vs. Hispanic. already happening big time in LA.

My brother has told me this is a big thing in the joint. Brown v Black is srs bznz in there.

 

[frozenduc]

As reality sets in.

 

[kevin 714]

The entire country is not sick of it. A very large portion disagree with the decision not to indict.

That graphic is flat our wrong

 

[Karbon]

As reality sets in.

Hey how about stop propagating stupid bumpersticker memes.

 

[Ogier le Danois]

The entire country is not sick of it. A very large portion disagree with the decision not to indict.

That graphic is flat our wrong

I doubt many people actually have the full set of information as the Grand Jury did.

As I've said a few times before. This shooting is meaningless in the grand scheme. The real issue is: why do we as a society perpetuate a poor and violent underclass? A policeman shooting a dangerous product of our own creation is a sideshow.

 

[afm199]

I doubt many people actually have the full set of information as the Grand Jury did.

As I've said a few times before. This shooting is meaningless in the grand scheme. The real issue is: why do we as a society perpetuate a poor and violent underclass? A policeman shooting a dangerous product of our own creation is a sideshow.

This. I agree with Meter Man maybe 50% of the time, but this is totally correct.

And the answer is probably:"Bread and circuses".

 

[Bay Arean]

The entire country is not sick of it. A very large portion disagree with the decision not to indict.

That graphic is flat our wrong

More false equivalency.

Even if the entire country disagrees with the grand jury, which I truly doubt, most of the entire country may well be sick of violent destruction and looting and race-baiting grandstanding over this incident. Most of the entire country is likely sick of the "gentle giant" bs and have been since they saw the market video. Give me a break..there is probably enough animus from that that would cause the entire country to accept the non-indictment, whether that is right or wrong.

You have a few hotspots and then, guess what, the rest of the country is not rioting.

 

[Ducky_Fresh]

The real reason Ferguson is boarding up its storefronts

Full Article:
http://qz.com/297588/the-real-reason-ferguson-is-boarding-up-its-storefronts/

You have to want to help yourself, before others want to help you.

It's a pretty interesting social discussion, because most of those kids are products of their environment, so its a perpetual circle that never fosters them to "get it". Meaning, improve basic communication skills, understand core tenants of maintaining a steady lifestyle/job, etc.

They grow up doing what they think is cool. Who is going to tell them it's not cool to be a thug or gangsta or have 5 kids and live on wellfare?

 

[MikeL]

I doubt many people actually have the full set of information as the Grand Jury did.

As I've said a few times before. This shooting is meaningless in the grand scheme. The real issue is: why do we as a society perpetuate a poor and violent underclass? A policeman shooting a dangerous product of our own creation is a sideshow.

How do "we as a society" perpetuate a poor and violent underclass? You will always have violence and you will always have people with less than other people.

The systems designed to remove those inequalities have never worked. What say you?

Because if it can't be fixed by the most brilliant minds, I certainly can't fix it and will stop worrying about it. I guess I'm perpetuating an issue that was not created by me and should not be my responsibility.. but I'm perpetuating it?

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

More false equivalency.

Even if the entire country disagrees with the grand jury, which I truly doubt, most of the entire country may well be sick of violent destruction and looting and race-baiting grandstanding. Most of the entire country is likely sick of the "gentle giant" bs and have been since they saw the market video. Give me a break..

You have a few hotspots and then, guess what, the rest of the country is not rioting.

This, spot on. The riots are pointless and detrimental, it perpetuates the issue because people don't respect what is going on. Unless the rioters want to start a revolution.. a literal revolution, the government isn't going to been to the will of people trying to actively destroy their own towns.

 

[MikeL]

You have to want to help yourself, before others want to help you.

It's a pretty interesting social discussion, because most of those kids are products of their environment, so its a perpetual circle that never fosters them to "get it". Meaning, improve basic communication skills, understand core tenants of maintaining a steady lifestyle/job, etc.

They grow up doing what they think is cool. Who is going to tell them it's not cool to be a thug or gangsta or have 5 kids and live on wellfare?

Exactly.

Nothing is safe in St. Louis. But the culprit is not protest—it is the lack of investment in and support for black communities, a pattern that has replicated itself in the region for decades.

I hate this bullshit...

I remember reading stuff from an investor who pulled out of Detroit. He was not a huge investor but was into flipping houses etc. He said, along with others like him, stopped trying to invest in Detroit because they would buy a house, start construction, and it would be looted. Then the government in Detroit passed laws basically making it so Insurance companies didn't have to pay out in those claims.

The neighborhoods destroyed the investment they were getting. It's this vicious cycle.

 

[Ducky_Fresh]

The irony, is that the destruction is going to contribute to their inequality.

1. Police will get more funding to combat events/situations like this.
2. Their infrastructure/community is taking a massive hit both economically and physically.
3. The insurance companies will raise rates, pushing their local economy further in to the gutter.

Meaning, yet again those with money and in power will have an even larger upper hand on their situation and suppress them further. Pretty fucking awesome in a twisted way.

They are making their own bed..

Which has been shit in, a lot. With dirty condoms and crack, too.

Too much?

 

[Bay Arean]

Continues the bifurcation of any given area of the tolerable or even prosperous and Designated Loser Zone (DLZ), a term I coined to describe Richmond-San Pablo, Oakland, etc. In the DLZ, everything is shitty, marginal and unpleasant. Even Caltrans soundwalls are more basic in the DLZ. I have been gnawing on this for years, since the I-80 remodel in the 1990s. In a public meeting of neighborhood council and city officials, I asked the Caltrans spokesman why our soundwalls were so basic-looking compared to those in Danville and elsewhere. He was defensive and flummoxed. Another incident: the subject of billboards in Richmond came up. A city councilman, now retired but part of one of the factions that run the town, said, famously, "it's just Richmond." This guy, founder of "Black Men and Women of Richmond", was always the first to claim victimhood, racism and discrimination, yet held this ultimate view of the town he was elected to improve, protect and maintain. They got revenue from the billboards so he was just sayin. My question was, why did we have to have billboards advertising liquor and such in mostly residential neighborhoods (23rd St to Carlson area).

 

[Ogier le Danois]

How do "we as a society" perpetuate a poor and violent underclass? You will always have violence and you will always have people with less than other people.

The systems designed to remove those inequalities have never worked. What say you?

Because if it can't be fixed by the most brilliant minds, I certainly can't fix it and will stop worrying about it. I guess I'm perpetuating an issue that was not created by me and should not be my responsibility.. but I'm perpetuating it?

Get the fuck outta here with that shit.


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There will always be poor. There will always be an underclass.

But we can move the pendulum to a better situation.

The US has a fairly unique heritage in terms of a recent influx of slave labor and a transition to a non slave state combined with immigration pressures and changing economic structures.

I am not am economist nor a sociologist. All I know is that other western, 1st world nations do not have the same level of problems we do with an ultra violent and poor underclass.

I believe the problem is primarily perpetuated by apathy. The second problem is the undesirable nature of underclass members - bad behaviour, bad lifestyle and so on repel the rest of society. It is easy to dislike someone who is/or appears to be dangerous or impolite. As much as people pretend to be open to multi cultural ism and hiring of diverse groups, the reality is that whole industries are essentially closed to black applicants. Access to training/internships/education to obtain many skillsets is likewise essentially closed to black applicants.

The solution will have to be very targeted along with $ and labor intensive activity. It will take a generation or more for society to catch up.

All of this high talk doesn't make the solution easy not address all the complex aspects of the problem, but it should illustrate it.